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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emily Bridges claims there is no advantage in sport

134 replies

miri1985 · 26/05/2022 19:57

Maybe someone else can explain it to me because as someone who has never been involved with sport at a high level, I don't understand the point if you claim not to be able to beat your rivals, I mean isn't that the point of high level sport? If you're not competitive, what is the point in competing? Wouldn't you just do it for fun otherwise than put your body through high level competition? In a previous interview didn't Emily Bridges state that the aim was to be competitive again?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10857133/Emily-Bridges-determined-prove-boasts-no-advantage-trans-woman-cyclist.html

"In her first interview since, Bridges told DIVA magazine it was wrong to say that trans women in sport retain inherent advantages and claimed to be able to prove it.

'I understand how you'd come to this conclusion because a lot of people still view trans women as men with male anatomies and physiologies,' she said.

'But hormone replacement therapy has such a massive effect. The aerobic performance difference is gone after about four months.

'There are studies going on for trans women in sport. I'm doing one and the performance drop-off that I've seen is massive'."

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WildIris · 26/05/2022 20:03

Isn’t Emily still winning (or recently won) in the men’s division?

So that’s a load of rubbish!

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 26/05/2022 20:03

Furthermore if sex really makes such little impact why not argue for mixed sex categories? Why insist on being allowed to compete in the women’s category.

VestofAbsurdity · 26/05/2022 20:08

Well, they would say that wouldn't they.

NecessaryScene · 26/05/2022 20:08

'But hormone replacement therapy has such a massive effect. The aerobic performance difference is gone after about four months.

Even if what Bridges was thinking about being able to "cancel out" performance advantages was true, which it isn't...

Wearing weights on your ankles will also have a massive effect on male performance.

Women already have enough fair competition with actual women without ALSO opening the field up to hobbled males.

Same for junior categories - it may be possible to figure out the exact amount of impairment required to make it "fair" for adults to compete with children, but what do the children get out of it, being crowded out of their own categories?

tabbycatstripy · 26/05/2022 20:09

Yes, whatever physical point EB is at, it’s artificial in performance terms. Competing under a regime of drugs designed to alter your performance levels, but only just enough to make you an elite performer, isn’t ethical competition. It’s rigging the game.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind1 · 26/05/2022 20:13

Well he's wrong.

Berthatydfil · 26/05/2022 20:17

Well Emily would say that wouldn’t Emily?

Artichokeleaves · 26/05/2022 20:18

I can see why Bridges would really like this to be the case.

But it isn't. Gaslighting to try and force boundaries in their favour does not make it any better. It just shows how much this is driven by overwhelming disrespect for females.

334bu · 26/05/2022 20:20

Massive " drop" in performance but still beating men, when important to win.

lunar1 · 26/05/2022 20:25

Where are the solid, rigorous, peer reviewed studies on this? I wonder how many elite sportswomen will walk away before any real science is conducted.

Prior to puberty, generally boys are stronger and faster than girls. You only have to look at sports day results in your child's school to see this.

ivykaty44 · 26/05/2022 20:31

Isn’t Emily still winning (or recently won) in the men’s division?

So that’s a load of rubbish!

yes, so begs the question why mens and woman's sections if Emily is competing as a woman and beating the men

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 26/05/2022 20:32

Emily approaching the research they are part of with all the objectivity one woukd expect

emiky has been winning mens races this year

it entirely benefits Emily to ensure Harpers research shows there’s no benefit for TW (Harper being a TW themselves is not exactly neutral either)

DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 26/05/2022 20:36

I don't believe Emily is neutral and unbiased on the subject. I believe that Emily believes there's no advantage. It doesn't mean Emily is correct. It means Emily is mistaken. Some might say deluded.

lovelyweathertoday · 26/05/2022 20:37

I wonder how long it will take before it dawns on Bridges that the game is up. Post-puberty men have sporting advantages over women.

Highlyquestionablehoumous · 26/05/2022 20:39

They just say stuff without anything to back it up and hope that people swallow it.

See also 'puberty blockers are completely reversible' or 'trans rights do not affect women's rights in any way'.

Dinosauria · 26/05/2022 20:43

The biological sex of an adult skeleton can be determined with 95% accuracy by measuring the hip bones alone, 83% accuracy by the skull, and 80% accuracy by the long bones (femur & tibia). WOMENS ELBOWS AND SHOULDERS are slightly different from men's

littlbrowndog · 26/05/2022 20:44

Och bridges sore loser that bridges didn’t get their way

😥😥😥😥😥

Dreikanter · 26/05/2022 20:45

Meanwhile, complaints have been submitted to British Cycling over Maxine Yates being allowed to compete in the expert women’s downhill national at Fort William.

off.road.cc/content/news/british-cycling-to-investigate-transgender-riders-win-at-fort-william-10099?amp

Fenlandia · 26/05/2022 20:54

It's not hormone "replacement" therapy though is it? Male bodies aren't designed to handle that much oestrogen. And it doesn't change the size and shape of their skeletons either

BootsAndRoots · 26/05/2022 21:10

Fenlandia · 26/05/2022 20:54

It's not hormone "replacement" therapy though is it? Male bodies aren't designed to handle that much oestrogen. And it doesn't change the size and shape of their skeletons either

Well I think now they simply regard testosterone reduction as HRT, you do not need to take oestrogen. So we have to be careful when they say HRT.

Essentially a man undergoing treatment for prostrate cancer is considered a woman under the current sporting regulations.

Ponderingwindow · 26/05/2022 21:28

Either we need to segregate by sex or there is no reason to segregate by sex and we can simply have one big competition.

it is reasonable to review every societal sexual division and ask if it makes sense that we divide things that way. It is possible that some are arbitrary. Sport is one place where it is obviously not arbitrary.

CatsOperatingInGangs · 26/05/2022 21:41

Is anyone else sick of Bridges putting Bridgeself into the media limelight then complaining that people talk about Bridges. I’m not sure what they are trying to achieve. The British public have shown zero interest in allowing transwomen in womens sport. The more articles like this come out, the more desperate Bridges looks.
At the end of the day Bridges has to choose what’s more important: transitioning or cycling.

Fenlandia · 26/05/2022 21:47

BootsAndRoots · 26/05/2022 21:10

Well I think now they simply regard testosterone reduction as HRT, you do not need to take oestrogen. So we have to be careful when they say HRT.

Essentially a man undergoing treatment for prostrate cancer is considered a woman under the current sporting regulations.

In what way is Emily "transitioning" if that's the case? This is Aristotle-level 'women are just deformed men' logic

Fenlandia · 26/05/2022 21:50

(Sorry BootsAndRoots was criticising the stupidity of sports bodies, not having a pop at you)

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 26/05/2022 21:53

I mean this in all possible ways...

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