Emily Bridges claims there is no advantage in sport

[miri1985]

Maybe someone else can explain it to me because as someone who has never been involved with sport at a high level, I don't understand the point if you claim not to be able to beat your rivals, I mean isn't that the point of high level sport? If you're not competitive, what is the point in competing? Wouldn't you just do it for fun otherwise than put your body through high level competition? In a previous interview didn't Emily Bridges state that the aim was to be competitive again?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10857133/Emily-Bridges-determined-prove-boasts-no-advantage-trans-woman-cyclist.html

"In her first interview since, Bridges told DIVA magazine it was wrong to say that trans women in sport retain inherent advantages and claimed to be able to prove it.

'I understand how you'd come to this conclusion because a lot of people still view trans women as men with male anatomies and physiologies,' she said.

'But hormone replacement therapy has such a massive effect. The aerobic performance difference is gone after about four months.

'There are studies going on for trans women in sport. I'm doing one and the performance drop-off that I've seen is massive'."

But, but, but how can there be an objective study when the participants have an interest in generating a particular outcome. All the ‘new women’ will just run a bit slower when they are being tested, obvs 🙄.

Trans woman Harper running a study for trans women who want to race with women. No control group, all participants know what they want the results to be - no scientific rigour. Totally pointless. I'm amazed they got funding for this shit study. Completely flawed.

Of course he says that. It makes it easier to cheat if you deny you are cheating.

Yes, Emily, put me in a boxing ring with Tyson Fury and see who comes off best. I mean, common-sense applies, doesn't it? ( Clue, I would be annihilated)

My sentiments exactly, @CatsOperatingInGangs

Plus, the absolute dishonesty and manipulation evidenced in the "photo" on the Diva magazine cover shown in the DM article.

Pants on fire. Race with the men. Cope.

I want to hear more male voices on this. Daley Thompson - Olympic superhero does. I so want to hear Andy Murray. I reckon his Mum is a good 'un.

Comments (by men) on road.Cc on Facebook are heartening
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Doesn't the GRA state that TW are not to participate in female sport?

As with most other things, the GRA and EA didn't bother to rule on that, because it never occurred to anyone it was necessary. In 2004 and 2010 you did not need laws compelling people to have female-only spaces.

They just made sure it wasn't prohibited to exclude them (or any other male) - a straight "no sex discrimination" rule in the equality act would have outlawed female-only sport, so they had to carve out that exemption from the law.

The only way the EA could be used to enforce their exclusion is to argue that to let males participate in female sport is indirect sex discrimination against women.

I think the correct term these days is 'lady-bollocks'

Here’s the road.cc article:

road.cc/content/news/transgender-cyclist-bridges-insists-no-advantage-over-rivals-293087

This quote from Emily is a gem:

“Sport acts as a microcosm to the rest of society, so with the patriarchal structure that exists in the rest of society, that's intensified in sport.”

Women are not low testosterone men.

Even if science proved the athletic performance of low testosterone men was similar to women it would still not prove that women are low testosterone men.

It would still not be fair to let low testosterone men compete as women because the reverse process is not true.

Women will not reach the athletic performance of men simply by taking testosterone.

So if women cannot switch into the mens category then it is unfair to let men compete as women as this gives males more opportunities than females.

When males have more opportunities than females we call it sexism.

The thing that annoys me most in all of this, is that the women when asked if they want to compete with trans identified competitors, consistently say no. It should be enough!! The women say no.

“Sport acts as a microcosm to the rest of society, so with the patriarchal structure that exists in the rest of society, that's intensified in sport.”

Mansplaining at its finest. Nice.

Emily Bridges was a promising young cyclist tipped for gold at the Paris Olympics. Emily was on the male elite squad, offered training camps, physio, equipment, psychological support, nutritional advice etc etc, only a limited number of cyclists, male or female , get places on this programme. Emily got injured, which was sad, but let’s face it, lots of athletes get injuries career damaging, comes with the job, and for most it sadly means early retirement from the sport they love. But luckily Emily had a get out of jail card ! Historically Emily is on record as saying they had already wanted to transition but had decided to postpone transition until after Paris ( so Emily had been perfectly prepared to continue to race as a male , and to receive funding and support on the male elite squad in order to qualify and compete as a male in Paris) but post injury Emily’s times and performance meant they were dropped from the male elite squad. So tadaaa! Emily played her trump card and brought forward their transition, thus ,potentially, bumping a female squad member from the elite squad. Emily still wants that medal don’t they?

Emily is sturdy, well over six foot tall , and is rarely photographed with female cyclists. I see Emily has decided that a bit of make up and soft focus photography is going to support their claim that having been through male puberty is no advantage whatsoever and that denying Emily her chance of success is just mean. Sorry Emily, hiding behind expertly applied makeup doesn’t make you any less of a cheat.

It's the same consent issue discussed in the AB case.

Females say no.

Male people have zero respect for the no, or the right to say it, and it becomes all about endless wangling and word salad to try and extract the desired resource from them in full knowledge they are breaching consent. And if they manage to get consent it will be unwilling and achieved via coercion.

But only females, right? Male people want stuff .

It just makes me so sad. My uterus doesn’t make we a woman in sport but make up and a dress does.

So sick of the "supported by research" crap. All studies I've read have to declare author/funding/participant interest and conflicts thereof. If you set up a study determined to show a particular outcome and it is in the interest of both the researcher and the participants to show that particular outcome which is also easily manipulated (say measuring performance rather than trying to see if the femur has shortened) how can it possibly be accepted?

An objective study really wouldn't be objective would it. Besides it's not needed. Basic GCSE biology tells us the differences between Male and Female athletes. What a waste of time and resources on such nonsense.

Emily has a point imo.

I mean, take a look at the natal women in these photos. Spot the common factor? That's right, they're all sore losers who should simply try harder. And the TW's all plucky underdogs who've somehow beaten the odds.

Agree completely mrshoho but this research is being presented at national conference level to healthcare professionals who are expected to swallow it completely with a side order of 'be kind' to help it on its way...to professionals who have studied anatomy, physiology, sports science!

“Sport acts as a microcosm to the rest of society, so with the patriarchal structure that exists in the rest of society, that's intensified in sport.”

Emily should think about that a bit more.

Completely agree. Women say no, sports bodies / TRAs don't listen to them.

But there's massive control if women start to refuse to take part, en masse.

Put you in a boxing ring with Tyson Fury with one arm tied behind his back after he had stopped training for six months and he would still win. Though Emily would probably claim it was just good fortune and happenstance on his behalf. Afterall, he wasn't competing at his best.