Do pronouns feel alien to anyone else?

[janeseymour78]

By this, I mean I have friends who are 100% pro pronouns as a show of support and we've had our debates, and then there are others who say it is unhealthy to reinforce stereotypes, eg. By using them on work signatures

For me though, adding she/her pronouns to everything and even having being asked what they are verbally, she/her feels alien to me in a visceral way. I'm curious about this because I have several friends who don't share that feeling at all.

Im GC and I don't believe people are binary. I have elements of feminity and masculinity that whatever else that form who I am. I know I'm a woman, I have endometriosis so I'm painfully aware, as well as all the other reasons women are made aware of their sex.

It comes down to adding 'she/her' to everything would not feel right to me, as though it didn't reflect me. It would like I was falsely reinforcing my womanhood when I don't live my life that way or feel that way. Am I making sense? Do others feel this way?

Also, trans women do share many of the same issues and needs as cis women.

Employment and pay discrimination, sexual harassment and, even though you'll deny it, misogynistic abuse.

Why does "woman" need to be a "sex-based category"?

Because as even you acknowledged, that's where "gender labels" come from.

The labels themselves are not inherent to biology. Nor do they have to "mean" anything

But words do mean things. Isn't that the point of words? They have a commonly understood meaning so that we can understand each other. So woman has a definition. Transwomen means something else. That doesn't mean transwomen are less. Just that they aren't the same.

Also, trans women do share many of the same issues and needs as cis women.

No.

Employment and pay discrimination, sexual harassment and, even though you'll deny it, misogynistic abuse.

All classes of people with a protected characteristic suffer discrimination. That's why the Equality Act exists.

Male people only suffer from misogyny when the misogynist genuinely believes they are directing it as a woman, which is not the usual way of things, because in most cases people's sex is perfectly obvious. Misogyny is about women and girls.

The word woman is taken. It means adult human female. Men no matter how they present or what hormones they ingest remain biological men, they are not and never will be women

no thank you

The need to control other people's world view displayed by trans activists is generally illuminating.

Why do they need to stay that way though, when allowing people to choose would give us so much more freedom to live our lives the way we choose?

Marriage was originally also just union between a man and a woman specifically, for the "biological" purpose of making children.

Relaxing those terms to allow for greater freedom is good.

Why do they need to stay that way though

Why shouldn't they? Why should they instead be based on something you can't define?

I don't, and never am going to, accept the legitimacy of gender identity ideology as superior to sex based ideological reality. That's it. It's not personal, I just don't believe in what you believe in and therefore I don't want to use language in a way that contradicts how I understand reality.

Marriage is a social construct and as such it can be changed, a person's sex is a biological fact, and cannot be changed. Gender is a social construct, by all means let men and women present however they want and refer to a 'gender identity' they have, if they wish.

As a general rule of thumb, if you see pronouns in someone's social media profile you know that they are going to be nasty people obsessed with identity politics.

It amazes me how ten years ago trans people got along just fine without this stuff.

Because not all people want to be resistricted by your rigid binary and feel much more comfortable with different labels.

Why are youso desperate to restrict other people's lives and identities?

sex based ideological reality

Sex based reality I meant. . It is an ideology I suppose that words have meanings and reproductive roles and bodily reality for the people of those two classes of people are objective reality. There are alternative world views, like gendered souls.

The social categories of "man" and "woman" are a social construct (regardless of what they were "based" on) and as such they can be changed.

Because not all people want to be resistricted by your rigid binary and feel much more comfortable with different labels.

They're free to refer to themselves however they want, aren't they?

As opposed to your need to impose your linguistic framework on trans people?

The social categories of "man" and "woman" are a social construct (regardless of what they were "based" on)

Without that base in sexed material reality, sex based stereotypes is all that ties them to the world in any way. Because that is what gender identity ideology is founded on.

A person's sex is a rigid binary. It's unfortunate some people can't deal with that reality, but they shouldn't expect the whole world to not only deny reality but to re-label themselves and refer to themselves in a way which reinforces sexism in order to shelter those too fragile to do so.

As opposed to your need to impose your linguistic framework

It's not one I came up with on my own, is it? Who is imposing what, exactly?

Well too bad, the world at large already accepts trans people's identities. Maybe it's you who needs to adjust.

I've always found this claim strange. The gender pay gap is due to various reasons - the ones I see most often cited are that: women take time out of the workplace for childbirth/maternity leave and are then more likely to go part time for childcare reasons, women are disproportionately represented in the caring professions which tend to be less well paid, and women are less likely to aggressively push for pay rises/promotions than men..

How does a transwoman experience any of these things?

You are imposing it, and you are no different than a homophobe imposing a homophobic definition of marriage based on the "biology reality of reproduction".

*biological reality of reproduction

The social categories of "man" and "woman" are a social construct (regardless of what they were "based" on) and as such they can be changed.
No, gender sterotypes are a social construct. These indeed, can be changed, but the problem is that gender ideologues have internalised these sexist ideas to equate 'man' and 'woman' with sexist stereotypes. You can't see that a woman can behave/dress/exist in any manner and still be woman, you see only feminine stereotypes and equate that with 'woman'. That's why when a man has breast implants, wears dresses etc you claim he is literally a woman now, when it's actually only a presentation of feminine stereotypes that he's displaying, that have nothing to do with actually being a woman.

the world at large already accepts trans people's identities

Selectively. If you mean fully transitioned transsexual males/females then yes because many people think it's actually possible to have a "sex change" operation. If you mean males in female sport, no they don't.