A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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Most mothers prioritise their new born baby's health and well-being.

I have so much more to say about this, breastfeeding stigma, and REAL trans rights, where informed consent is wilfully sidestepped, but I have to scurryfunge.

Apologies, I haven't RTFT. Has anyone found the original post/photo? Is everyone convinced that this is even a transwoman? I know that the angle is such that you can't really see, but the shoulders and especially the little armpit bulge look very female to me. It definitely doesn't look like someone who has just given birth though. I wonder whether this is in fact a photo of a lesbian partner or an adoptive parent rather than a transwoman.

I have heard of men lactating, but only ever in the context of a significant brain tumour.

I also think the likely effect of amplifying males breastfeeding in this way will continue to disassociate breastfeeding from mothers.

If someone was actually interested in encouraging breastfeeding again, amplifying males doing it is not going to have the effect of supporting nursing mothers.

Firstly, because the heavy investment needed for males to do this takes away from where the investment should be : supporting mothers. As others have said.

Including those males entering into breastfeeding groups and changing the focus.

Secondly, it is further disassociating it as something unique to mothers and gives the impression that anyone can do it. It started with removing the mother and baby centred language, calling it chestfeeding and pregnant people etc. This is the next step. Again, it is sending out the message that it is all about the infant, and making it all about the adults doing it.

There are other reasons too, but I won’t go into them, some might be deemed deletion worthy by those not wanting such things discussed.

If I said what I think about men breastfeeding babies, I would get deleted.

Either way breast-feeding promotes bonding between parent and child and improves parental MH both of which are good outcomes for women and TW.

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After the journey (physically and emotionally) a woman goes through to get to this point of finally holding the child she has grown absolutely. Let's not also forget a high chance of PND for many women. This individual has not been through ANY of this ordeal but hey, let's do the Insta glam BF bit.

That baby is not a mental health solution for this man

Agree with a previous poster that this could drip drip support for the idea of body parts implants for TW to "have babies ".

It's been deleted I think @WalkerWalking

This person posted on Reddit and since deleted their post because apparently people were saying they should be killed

Same sort of armpit bulge. They also posted what they did to induce lactation so no, I don't think they're women pretending they're not.

On a follow up thread, there are other posters saying that they're planning on feeding the child their female partner gives birth to. Uterus transplants are also a regular topic of discussion.

Either way, lack of support for breastfeeding mothers and giving males drugs to both change their body, suppress their natural hormones and potentially induce secretions is medical negligence.

It's actually medically negligent at best.

Worst is that it's emotional abuse for the mother and child and if I say what it it's for males, I'll get deleted.

Also, you don't latch a baby like that, they need the ability to freely move their heads. Feet on something to help push to adjust, Aka biological nursing.

Yeah some remote tribe doing motherhood and birthing differently, is also used to beat women in western countries over the head for requiring pain relief whilst giving birth, or finding the birthing process traumatic and not being immediately up on their feet and working again afterwards.

I find the picture honestly sad. The baby has no idea what's going on and why they're not getting what they need. Selfish, I have no idea why people are falling over themselves to defend it.

Yeah some remote tribe doing motherhood and birthing differently, is also used to beat women in western countries over the head for requiring pain relief whilst giving birth, or finding the birthing process traumatic and not being immediately up on their feet and working again afterwards.

And the elements that benefit women and new mothers are never what's focused on at great length when looking at parenting practises outside western "Norms."

Eg the 40 days 'confinement' that my Japanese friend did with both her children. V common in many cultures. (Amazing woman, high up in unicef and thus has diplomatic status on flights of which I'm well jel.)

There's so much gaslighting going on around this at the moment:

Come on, of course male breasts are exactly the same female breasts, it's basic biology duh.

Of course biological males can breastfeed just like women.

Of course it's fine that some TW say they get off on breastfeeding a baby, loadsa women find breastfeeding erotic, God, you didn't even know that? Ah yes, it's because women feel repressed about talking about how sexy they find breastfeeding because Pearl clutchers like you don't want them to talk about it.

Honestly, just fuck off.

Yes @Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople It is gaslighting in the extreme.

We have BPA free bottles and soya formula is discouraged because of the potential estrogen mimicking effects and potential for fertility damage, yet we're supposed to cheer on a TW breastfeeding while taking high dose estrogen not to mention all the other drugs?

I'm jealous of your friend too. Wasn't aware of the 40 days confinement thing, really interesting, and yeah I have only ever heard the comparisons that appear to show western women in a bad light.

I remember one social science lecturer telling us in university, and I've heard it repeated since, that the pain of childbirth has been 'greatly exaggerated' in developed countries, because in some tribe in Africa, the women aren't allowed to make a sound during birth and in another the male partner 'feels the pain' and the women get up mere minutes afterwards and go back out to working in the fields with the baby strapped to their backs.

This apparently meant that the supposed pain that women in European countries (the UK in this context) are feeling is all in their minds, and not linked to an actual physical reality. It is socially engineered.

Ditto the higher need for caesareans and medical intervention

Is this the individual who barely mentions the mother who birthed the baby, says having a baby suckle on them is 10 times more exciting than what a partner could possibly do to them and whose healthcare professional who helped them do it is also trans?

if so there were threads about it at the time, which I believe was several years ago. Along with numerous links to reddit showing loads of men trying to induce lactation for the same reasons, but being a lot more upfront about it.

Looking again at that photo.
It's nothing like a new mum with engorged mammaries.
It's also nothing like how a new mum would cradle her newborn baby.
It looks like someone's idea of what breastfeeding would be.
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We might be adept at one handed feeding, but we hold our babies close and support our arms with pillows if we can.
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Few women who have just been through pregnancy would have the upper arm strength to hold a baby at such an awkward angle for long enough for a baby to feed.

Seeing as you asked, here are my thoughts (slightly scattergun, and I’m not going to get drawn into a long pointless discussion)

• the arguments based on the idea that the child’s well-being, and the avoidance of any possible risk, however small, should effectively override all other considerations, remind me of the moral pressure that often seems to be put on women to breastfeed - that the benefits to the baby have been scientifically proven and therefore must outweigh almost all reasons the mother might have for not wanting to (eg related to the interference with their independence or ability to work, or the sharing of care);


• it also reminds me very strongly of the many arguments that have been made against gay people or same sex couple raising children - it’s a social experiment, it’s unnatural, the impact on the child can’t be known, it’s based on (at best) the gay person’s narcissistic desire for validation, or (at worst) some deviant sexual interest in children;


• if the child is being bf by the other parent as well (which is the impression I got from the screenshot on Twitter) I’m not sure how relevant the arguments about nutrition are;


• the views of many posters on this thread seem to be coloured by an underlying belief that trans women are generally self serving, narcissistic, delusional, and often primarily driven by unhealthy sexual interests. I think past experience has shown that prejudices of that type about whole categories of people are unhelpful and often dangerous.

And before you ask, no, I don’t have children.

I, and I think quite a few others on this thread from what I can see, don't think that mothers should be morally pressured to breast feed. I breast fed until my milk failed and then went onto formula, thankful that that was an option and my baby wasn't going to starve because I couldn't make enough milk. I personally think if a woman simply doesn't want to breastfeed (for whatever reason), that's a perfectly valid choice. Not sure how this is connected to males inducing milk production through a cocktail of drugs with no apparent research being done (as it has countless times with milk produced by females) as to the composition and benefit of the milk to the baby being fed?

Several posters have already mentioned that breastfeeding a child takes up a lot of the child's energy - if the milk isn't nutritionally beneficial or the amount isn't large enough, then that leads to weight loss (as I've experienced myself when breastfeeding). The mother breastfeeding may also have issues with supply if feeding is shared in this way.

In terms of the motivation of transwomen breastfeeding, whose benefit is it for? Given the milk produced hasn't been evaluated for it's nutritional value and benefits, then testing a baby with a largely unknown substance seems to be more for the benefit of the adult rather than the baby.

I’m not going to get drawn into a long pointless discussion

Can't tell you how surprised I am.

so you don’t want to actually engage but to list the ways we are wrong to discuss it. Including the implication that discussing it is phobic - whether homophobic or transphobic.

So, pretty much business as usual.

You’ve almost, but not quite, hit the nail on the head.

A male, who believes that drug induced secretions are the best food for his baby, IS delusional. IS narcissistic. IS self serving.
He’s not a wet nurse, his body isn’t designed to feed offspring, and thats what colours the views people have about about MALES who think that they're able to breastfeed a baby.
There are many many transwomen who have commented on this issue by pointing out that its delusional. Are they wrong?
Your comparison with arguments made in the past about gay couples is pathetic.

But wait …. We have just been told that not every feed has to be nutritious if it is a ‘shared’ breastfeeding experience.

So, every x feed can serve another purpose other than getting optimum nutrition into a child. What purpose the x feed is for is not for us to discuss because, reasons….