"I am detransitioning. MtFtNB. No more lies and fairy tales."

[GCRich]

I know that there are so many videos out there now, but here's another one... post-surgery MtF detransitioner... interesting to note that he says that at the age of 24 he had no idea what a mistake he was making. Not being funny, but what percentage of post-surgery regret would be acceptable? Given the extreme thing that "bottom surgery" is [honesty self-censored to avoid typical MN over-moderation, despite the fact that "bottom-surgery" is a gaslighting and deceptive term which TRAs use to help gaslight young and vulnerable people], and given that it catgeorically cannot do what it implies it can (make you change sex) I would argue that one in a thousand or one in ten thousand being regretful is too many. And I supect it is more like one in two, or 90 in 100, or 99 in 100. Are there any trans youtubers who seem genuinely well adjusted and happy? (Maybe an unfair question as one might argue it is impossible to look well adjusted whilst being a youtuber!)

[SaulTheHamster]

That's a great video, what a lovely insightful person. I feel gutted for him.

[FunnyTalks]

It must be so hard to publicly admit ones regret on such an enormous choice.

Our brains don't mature until 24 /25 ish. It's not a surprise to me that a person who had surgery at 24 could regret it later.

[KookaburraSit]

He did an interview with Arty Morty a couple of days ago too.

[Mandodari]

Sad that the medical profession don't tell the truth and admit that surgery/medication will treat the symptoms but not the cause of the person's problem.

[RoseLunarPink]

I'm so so sorry for him - and admiring of how clearly he spelt out exactly how and why this happened to him.

There must be a lot of people feeling like this and unable to admit it because they'll lose all their friends and support. I hope the video helps someone.

[RoseLunarPink]

The "software/hardware" analogy was very powerful.

[AnxiousSquirrel]

Took a lot of courage to admit he made a mistake, hopefully more will realise this and the world will stop enabling the damage people are doing to themselves. I hope he finds happiness with himself and gets the support he needs.

[BluesandClues]

Listening to Elaine Miller and then this person, I’ve never even heard of half of these complications. Do people even get told about any of this? I do feel though that even if they are, a lot will be single minded in their pursuit.

I just genuinely feel gutted for the person in the video above.

[thinkingaboutLangCleg]

I cannot understand how doctors and surgeons are allowed to do this. We recognise other kinds of self-harm as mental distress or illness. We don't encourage anyone to slash their arms with razor blades or starve themselves to death.

[GCRich]

Thanks KookaburraSit - will watch that.

No-one should be allowed to advocate for "trans rights" without first explaining why they are unconcerned about the massive numbers of regretful detransitioners.

[RoseLunarPink]

Our brains don't mature until 24 /25 ish. It's not a surprise to me that a person who had surgery at 24 could regret it later.

The thing about brain maturity at 25 is often mentioned, and it's true, but I also think there should be a long delay and therapy required between wanting surgery and having it - for anyone. Partly because it's hard for anyone to make that decision in a considered way, in the current culture where being trans is presented by so many as this divine, greater state of being and/or the answer to all your problems, which will gain you admirers, a special new family and all the happiness you've dreamed of. Of course that's going to attract people with emotional problems or trauma, suggestible people, people who need something to believe in, or who are struggling with being gay.

[ElspethBoomingHowsen]

That is so sad. I can’t even begin to imagine the turmoil of all this

[Clymene]

@BluesandClues -there is a huge amount of censorship online about the realities of surgery. Posts are deleted for being negative.

And I also think that if you've spent £££ on surgery and it hasn't delivered what you'd hoped, it's very difficult to admit that even to yourself, no matter about publicly

[IcakethereforeIam]

It's like victims of fraud are often extremely ashamed of being conned.

[GCRich]

ElspethBoomingHowsen

I will try to choose my words carefully, but I have to say that I am astonished that someone young could lose all sexual desire and function and not have very serious suicidal tendencies, especially if simultaneously feeling that they are to blame AND others are also to blame. I just cannot imagine how angry I would be at others, and myself.

Part of the problem is that the only real benefit of transitioning is that you want the validation of strangers (close friends and lovers - not that many post op trans people seem to have them - will of course know). Validation from strangers is much more likely if you start transitioning 12 or more years before your brain has matured. To some extent the only people who should be allowed to transition (in any medical way at all) are people who are 12 years old or younger AND have fully matured adult brains. ie absolutely no-one.

[RoseLunarPink]

there is a huge amount of censorship online about the realities of surgery. Posts are deleted for being negative.

And that's actually so bizarre when you think about it. We're talking about a high likelihood of harm, complications, disappointment, pain and potential terrible regret, for people who identify as trans - the people the gender lobby want us all to prioritise and protect. Why would they want to hide that the current "treatment" is causing severe problems and often not helping people at all?

[moomintrolls]

@Mandodari

Sad that the medical profession don't tell the truth and admit that surgery/medication will treat the symptoms but not the cause of the person's problem.

That's how allopathic medicine works. We can't expect any different in any area of medicine.

[DrBlackbird]

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[Alcemeg]

It all runs so deep, it's not even just about gender. It seems to me a bit like wishing you were the pretty girl at school because then all your problems would be over. Or that saying, "Wherever you go, there you are." It's natural to feel insecure, especially when young, and all too easy to blame external factors.

Setting aside the internalised homophobia that makes someone prefer to chop off their penis etc rather than exist as a feminine homosexual male, I think it's really interesting that "from the outside in" the idea of being female seems to be the gender equivalent of "blondes have more fun"... then they actually try it, and find out it's really not all it's cracked up to be. (Especially if you are not actually even female.)

When I was a student, a male friend once commented that he didn't understand why girls didn't have sex more often. According to him, the opportunities were endless, why not take them?! I couldn't even begin to explain what else was involved!

I pity anyone trying to make sense of themselves in this world where so many people are ready to exploit such natural self-doubts for their own profit.

[Circumferences]

Once on here there was a comment about a transman's penis, I commented that "a piece of flesh from your forearm that's stitched onto your vulva isn't a penis" and my comment got deleted here on the feminist board.

The truth isn't allowed because the truth is apparently harmful.

Telling the truth about the surgeries is "harmful" while causing actual pain, physical disabilities, incontinence, infertility etc etc is apparently "life saving".
It really is so Orwellian.

[GCRich]

"Once on here there was a comment about a transman's penis, I commented that "a piece of flesh from your forearm that's stitched onto your vulva isn't a penis" and my comment got deleted here on the feminist board."

I am not sure the best way of doing it, but it really is time to get a 300 or 500 word GC summary out there and make it absolutely clear that anyone going along with the Stonewall agenda as of today has no excuse whatsoever for not getting the risks to vulnerable children and women's rights (and other things too).

I can forgive people for not seeng the truth in 2015 or 2017. And if they had nothing to do with feminist activism or trans rights then I can see them being blind into 2020/2021/2022. But we really have got to a point where every single person talking about "trans issues" is explicitly GC or they have the blood of regretful detransitioners on their hands and are an explicit and massive safeguarding risk to children.

[CharmD]

Part of the problem is that the only real benefit of transitioning is that you want the validation of strangers.

I suspect that OCD can play a role too, same as with cosmetic surgery. Wanting to modify your body to repress crushing self doubt and an obsessive, single-minded need for your body to look exactly like your 'ideal' version of you, every part of it.

[JustWaking]

That's really heart-breaking. So much un-fixable damage being done.

[Joystir59]

I can't watch it beyond the first few minutes, it's so tragic. To think this young man no longer has his penis! Can you imagine the trauma and horror. He's so young!

[StationaryMagpie]

Didnt watch it all, but caught the accent, American i believe?

I have a friend who transitioned (MtF) in the USA, and basically, when she went through it, she was told if she didn't have the 'bottom' surgery, they would stop all her hormonal treatments... she was FORCED into making that decision, even though ever since she has bitterly regretted it. She has chosen not to detransition, but its left her with severe PTSD.

American healthcare pushes Trans people into surgery, which they don't here.