Celebrity incidents - men and women

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Off the back of the Amber Heard/Johnny trial.

It put me in mind of the Ryan Thomas/Roxanne Pallett incident.

Peter Andre in the press today, having once again been shamed by Rebekah Vardy, after she made comments about his anatomy (as Peter himself says, the other way round there would be outrage). Peter will be mocked, on social media and I'm sure it will be mentioned here, about him being a snowflake, poor him, etc etc.

When men, and I mean specifically in the public eye, do something towards a woman they are (rightly so) addressed for it on social media.

But when it's a woman? Particularly with Roxanne and Amber, people continue to make excuses for them, stick up for them and find ways to make it the fault of the man.

There is a huge disparity between how men and women are treated in the public eye.

right, so I do have to believe you? and you seem very cross that people don't...?

If I said that Amber Heard is a domestic abuser would that make you happy?

or do I have to say that Johnny Depp isn't a domestic abuser?

what is it you're after OP?

You think if I said I don't believe he did the things she is claiming, i wouldn't be?

its you whos not following.

a PP said very breezily that "her abuse of him, not that thats what this case is about"

Imagine that roles reversed?

What?! Unless im the make up brand, then no......

I'm after (f you will as that's a strange word) people to accept that women in the public eye fare better in controversy than men do.

I think your bias blinds you

obvs MNHQ have broken advanced search now, but this was the most recent thread I could find that referenced the Depp /Heard mess. Plenty of people who don't believe her and seem strongly aligned with you OP.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4546901-johnny-depp-has-played-a-blinder

Is the presence of any people at all who disagree with you what upsets you?

I'm after (f you will as that's a strange word) people to accept that women in the public eye fare better in controversy than men do

why? you seem extremely invested in people accepting this.....Is there a reason why everyone must agree with you?

I'm after (f you will as that's a strange word) people to accept that women in the public eye fare better in controversy than men do.

That's your opinion and I've not seen evidence of this. Many posters have provided examples of the opposite.

Perhaps you could find the thread where I was reported and warned for saying I didn't believe Johnny raped her with a broken bottle. (You did ask what I thought would get me banned).

youve asked the same question twice in different words. Its not me whos "extremely invested".

My OP related to Peter Andre being mocked on social media.

If this was a woman who was being spoken about in that way, it would have more attention.

The topic was originally discussed by talk tv, comprised of a panel which included Jeremy Kyle (another example. A man "cancelled" for his role as a TV presenter in a (albeitly hideous) programme that ultimately he was only a paid role in.

Yet Katie Hopkins, Kim Woodburn etc continue to do similar and it's OK.

So Peter Andre was treated unfairly by the press. I could say the same about Victoria Beckham, Megan Markel, Katie Price etc etc. It's really not as one-sided is it?

Katie is a terrible example - her response is mostly favourable.

I'd be interested in the Victoria Beckham example.

Megan's interest has hee haw to do with her being a woman.

When you say Roxanne “got away with it”, do you mean just because she’s still alive and has some semblance of a private life? What sort of “justice” do you want for these women, OP? I’ll also remind you that the same sorts of things you’re saying were thrown about when Caroline Flack was arrested and it eventually ended in her suicide so clearly she didn’t think she got off easily.

Like it or not, female on male violence is not the same as male on female due to differences in strength. Therefore to expect identical treatment is ridiculous. Anyway, women don’t kill their partners at a rate of two per week, they don’t rape men at alarming rates and I’d venture that very few men are genuinely terrified if a woman walks towards them when they are alone at night.

Megan's interest has hee haw to do with her being a woman.

yeah because we all know how obsessed the press is with Beatrice and Eugenie’s husbands. Beatrice’s husband left his partner and child for her and it generated a couple of articles but then nobody gave a shit. Meghan on the other hand…

Yeah but nobody cares about Beatrice or the other one. Every one knows William and Harry. If there was a third sibling to Will and Harry and she was a princess it would be quite different. I’m not saying that would be right, but I don’t think the partner of any immediately in line royal would ever escape massive scrutiny regardless of sex.

@Sorrynotsorryyeah

So Amber Heard should face less consequences than Depp for hitting him? Because female and male violence is different and to expect identical treatment is ridiculous? What a load of excuses disguised as equality.

If you want to have the same power as men under law then you need to expect the same consequences for breaking the law. No exceptions. Otherwise men will end up thinking it’s fair to treat us differently in other ways you won’t be happy about.

You can’t just expect special treatment when you haul off and hit someone because “female violence is different” - that’s just justifying men having to hold themselves to a higher standard and keep themselves under control and excusing women who don’t - because they are women. What message does that send to men about women that some of us would want this?

I agree about Caroline. There was a thread here not too long ago about unpleasant celebrities and people were vile.

Your second paragraph proves my point . I completely disagree.

The problem is, people with these views want equal treatment....when it suits

Amber Heard has been ripped apart in media and across social media while the ‘Johnny is innocent’ narrative completely overlooks his horrendous behaviour - there are texts between him and Paul Bethany where he fantasises about burning her to death and raping her corpse.

Roxanne Pallet’s career is over, she was evicerated in the press and there has been no comeback for her.

Caroline Flack was hounded by the media and online trolls to the point she killed herself.

Young women who are raped by footballers and rugby players have their lives destroyed while they men are quickly snapped up by clubs who DGAF about having abusers on their teams.

Violent, abusive men routinely return to their careers - Chris Brown, Mel Gibson, Josh Brolin, Sean Penn, Louis CK, Charles Saatchi, Charlie Sheen, Nicholas Cage etc etc. The list of cheaters is endless and they don’t receive a fraction of the scrutiny women do.

If it bothers you that some women want to defend women whose lives, mental health and careers are ripped apart when men don’t experience the same, I think you need to have a look at yourself.

Nothing to do with her sex. Because shes a proven repeated liar.

Convenient that you just ignored everything else in that post that shows that your argument is utter bullshit.
Sorry you hate women so much, OP. Maybe you’ll get over it sometime, let’s hope?

I pointed out Amber's lie about the make up and was told I was "disbelieving a rape victim". I got a strike for that one, so I think I'll avoid that one in future, as much as I'd love to!

I'm invested in it because it's the first thing I've seen which realistically plays out a toxic relationship, rather than man bad woman good (or vice versa). It shows that women can be victims and abusers and so can men. It shows you can be abusive without being an abuser. It also shows that women do lie, and men can be truthful.

The way both recount the same events is really interesting to watch.

Don't get me wrong, I don't usually. You'd have to pay me big bucks to watch the Vardy/Coleen trial.

Thanks for proving my OP.

If you don't agree that women are wonderful and men are dreadful, you must hate women!

If you don't agree that women are wonderful and men are dreadful, you must hate women!

well idk but you clearly do. The menz aren’t going to respect you for crapping on other women though, just saying. 😂 😂
maybe the feminism pages ain’t for you.

Ah but see, you dont have be a men hater to be a feminist.

Oh ive got a bingo card here - "poor menz", "woman hater", "go away (you might as welll have).

I just need to be told im a pick me and ive got a full house!

Feminism pages are fine for me, as im a feminist. As in, I want women and men to be EQUAL. You might need to look that up.

Lol ok