Celebrity incidents - men and women

[stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou]

Off the back of the Amber Heard/Johnny trial.

It put me in mind of the Ryan Thomas/Roxanne Pallett incident.

Peter Andre in the press today, having once again been shamed by Rebekah Vardy, after she made comments about his anatomy (as Peter himself says, the other way round there would be outrage). Peter will be mocked, on social media and I'm sure it will be mentioned here, about him being a snowflake, poor him, etc etc.

When men, and I mean specifically in the public eye, do something towards a woman they are (rightly so) addressed for it on social media.

But when it's a woman? Particularly with Roxanne and Amber, people continue to make excuses for them, stick up for them and find ways to make it the fault of the man.

There is a huge disparity between how men and women are treated in the public eye.

There is a huge disparity between how men and women are treated in the public eye.

Yes. Yes there is. Hence feminism.

Pretending men have it worse is a bit dim at best. And women have their anatomies discussed constantly.

I agree with MrsTerry that woman are body shamed much more often. I Googled Labour MPs who might replace Starmer if Beergate turns serious. For some of the women this came up : ' Name , weight loss'. Very odd. It's probably not taken as seriously though when men are abused in this way.

So your saying that every time a man says or does something wrong against a woman he is 'punished' on social media but when a woman does anything she isn't? That is not my experience I have to say.

I think it would be better to pick something more current as your example. While the trial is current, her exposé is years old and it wasn't her bringing it up at trial either. It was actually brought up to discredit her. Doesn't mean she was right to do it in the first place as it was only brought up recently to make her look bad it's not a good example. I'd be interested if you can find another.

I find “If it were the other way round there would be outrage”’is usually said by people who are not noticing it is regularly happening the other way round.

No, but I think women get away with things men wouldnt.

Can you give an example of a woman who has been treated unfairly in the media in comparison to the treatment of a man?

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Can you give an example of a woman who has been treated unfairly in the media in comparison to the treatment of a man?

have you been living under a rock? How about the magazines regularly running “worst bikini bodies” features, DM printing stories where someone has gained weight, often if mentioning a “trim figure” to trigger disgusting comments from readers, Rebecca Adlington getting abused for her looks by Frankie Boyle, loads of articles saying X celeb looks “unrecognisable” such as with Bridget Fonda recently.

Roxanne Pallet was hung out to dry and was hated whereas Ryan’s career flourished. To suggest she “got away with it” is delusional. No, she’s not in jail but she definitely suffered.

Do you want to get started on numerous male celebrities who have been found to have abused partners and it’s had virtually zilch impact on their careers? Dennis Waterman, Kobe Bryant, the list goes on.

Hope you manage to get over your internalised misogyny, OP.

Yes!

What about all the death and rape threats against women who say they believe the biological evidence that there are two sexes? Like JK Rowling. Men who say the same tend not to get the same level of death and rape threats.

Stops on going mission to prove that the poor menz have it soooo much worse
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This indicates that you haven’t really been following social media on the Heard/Depp case. It’s almost all anti-Amber Heard.

And I haven’t seen anyone mocking PA, that would be extremely unpleasant.

This!!!

It would be faster to list the women who have been treated fairly…

Ofd you trot now.

Another example: can you imagine if the female leader of a political party ditched her husband when he was seriously ill (having already cheated on him various times), hooked up with a guy loads younger and had a baby by him, having already had numerous babies by different men. If you think that would be tolerated, you’re on another planet.

oh yeah

a female politician who was hazy about how many children she had?

yeah, right

it put me in mind of this Irish rape trial.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304

as the man was acquitted, his identity seems to have been retrospectively obscured. He was a famous rugby player though I think?

anyhow, the thing that stuck in my mind was the discussion of the 17 year old girl's underwear. The defendant's lawyer said

'You have to look at the way she was dressed. She was wearing a thong with a lace front'

when we're discussing men's underwear in court and using it as a reason to doubt their word, you come back and tell us how bad men have it OP

@stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou If you find yourself with a strong opinion about something - especially if it does not directly affect you - its always worth investigating the reason why.

I've seen a lot of people on SM with a vested interest in the Depp/Heard case, and one of the more common attitudes is that if you criticise Depp or the way the case is being handled or publicised, you must automatically be on the side of Amber Heard. Is that what you are doing? 'If you are not for X you must be for Y' is a logical fallacy.

Have you heard of conformation bias? It causes us to notice events that confirm our existing beliefs, and ignore events that challenge them. See if you can find some examples to back up your belief that women are treated more lightly than men.

But I could say the same about people who automatically side with Amber because she's a woman which is very common at the moment. I think the confirmation bias you're referring to is equally at play in the other side of the argument with some of the threads I read on here.

I'm not referring to criminal cases.

I'm talking about famous people in the public eye.

Tick tick, well done for proving the point of my thread.

She did get away with it.

If it had happened in the toilet with no cameras, Ryan's career would have been finished. The boy had to sit in the house for a number of days not knowing what he'd done or what was happening. Roxanne got her moment on TV and recently was back in the papers for her wedding.

I think you'll find Dennis Waterman and Kobe Bryant have definitely suffered enough.

I'm not misogynistic at all, unless it is possible to hate and fear oneself.

And so it should be.

MN isnt, though.

To be fair, you've also just proven the point of my post. You are blind to your own bias, and your response to an attempt to discuss bias was whataboutery.
I've seen very few threads or posts that say ''Amber Heard is innocent'', never mind that go on to say ''and I think that because she is a woman''. If you have, why don't you start a discussion about it with those posters?

I'm interested in old school consciousness raising.
I don't understand why people are so heavily invested in the Heard/Depp trial or why it so polarising. There's something disturbing about the cult of celebrity imo and I had really hoped we had moved beyond that, especially on the feminist boards.
This is an opportunity for discussions about human behaviour, or how we organise society. Unless those discussions are fact based, and unless we are prepared to question our own responses, this is no different from any other thread on the main boards.