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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Matt Walsh 'What is a Women?' trailer released

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MalagaNights · 14/05/2022 16:16

Matt Walsh, the right wing Catholic who is against abortion and yoga (I'm just getting in all the reasons to not 'align' with him in advance, if that's your thing) has released the trailer for his documentary.

It looks hilarious and amazing;

twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1525477731181502464?t=zwaCB9yE6f6R48Q46arIeA&s=19

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Moppincraxy · 15/05/2022 15:39

I think the trailer looks interesting and I would like to watch the rest.

I'm a Christian and love yoga but without the woo. To me it's no different than enjoying a cake baked by someone I dislike or going to a university founded by a racist slave-owner. You can disassociate a thing from its origins and appreciate that thing for what it is without endorsing everything that came before it.

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:05

If anything, transgender identity is being gender diverse, and the "gender critical" as well as conservative movement is hostile to gender diversity of that sort.

You could not be more wrong on any of this.

Transgender identity is about pretending to be the oppostie sex because you may like some things apparently traditionally liked by the opposite sex.

'gender critical' is about knowing that there are two sexes [that is genuinely it]. Many of the 'gender crititcal' people have spent their lives in non-gender conforming roles and certainly often wear non-gender conforming clothing.

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:15

RoyalCorgi · 15/05/2022 14:33

This is what I meant about not being able to reason with people. They think that believing there are only two sexes and that it's not possible for humans to change sex is a right-wing position. You might as well argue that believing the earth goes round the sun is a right-wing position. It's an utterly meaningless insult. What are we supposed to do? Clutch our pearls in horror and say, "The horror of being accused of being right-wing is so terrible that I'm going to start believing that men are women"?

Sex can be altered though, hormones are one of the components of sex, and hormonal composition can be changed, as can the characteristics affected by hormones.

Enforcing "traditional" definitions of "man" and "woman" isn't that much ideologically distant from enforcing the traditional definition of "marriage".

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:16

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:05

If anything, transgender identity is being gender diverse, and the "gender critical" as well as conservative movement is hostile to gender diversity of that sort.

You could not be more wrong on any of this.

Transgender identity is about pretending to be the oppostie sex because you may like some things apparently traditionally liked by the opposite sex.

'gender critical' is about knowing that there are two sexes [that is genuinely it]. Many of the 'gender crititcal' people have spent their lives in non-gender conforming roles and certainly often wear non-gender conforming clothing.

You don't understand anything about transgender people, you just keep repeating the same lies, even as trans people keep refuting them thousands and thousands of times.

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:17

Sex can be altered though

No, it can't.

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:18

You don't understand anything about transgender people, you just keep repeating the same lies, even as trans people keep refuting them thousands and thousands of times.

Trans people can refute what they want, doesn't make it true. You've been duped.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:21

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:16

You don't understand anything about transgender people, you just keep repeating the same lies, even as trans people keep refuting them thousands and thousands of times.

This is great @SeldomHere , I'm genuinely delighted you're here to help me understand transgender people.

I've always wanted to know what the common features of the gender identity transwomen have are? what characteristics are shared by people with a gender identity that marks them out as a woman?

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:22

Enforcing "traditional" definitions of "man" and "woman" isn't that much ideologically distant from enforcing the traditional definition of "marriage".

please can you explain what traditional definitions of 'men' and 'women' feminists enforce? thank you!

MalagaNights · 15/05/2022 16:24

I have reached a point where 'right wing' no longer translates to 'insult' for me, it translates to 'reality based' ideas and policies.

Left wing too often means changing the world in line with your view of Utopia regardless of the fact this ignores the reality of human nature.

I think that's why the left has embraced this trans madness; it reflects a drive for the ultimate utopia where everyone can have exactly what they want and even biology won't prevent it.

Something is only an insult if you think being that thing is insulting.
I think living in reality is s good thing.

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SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:26

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:21

This is great @SeldomHere , I'm genuinely delighted you're here to help me understand transgender people.

I've always wanted to know what the common features of the gender identity transwomen have are? what characteristics are shared by people with a gender identity that marks them out as a woman?

Shared gender identity of "woman".

That's it.

A common link usually also involves feminine names (like "Sarah"), labels (like "actress"), and pronouns (like "she"), but the more we get to specifics, the less universal these things they are.

Because there's more than one way to be a woman, and women, both cis and trans, are all different.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:28

Shared gender identity of "woman".

ace, many thanks for the reply

what are the characteristics of a gender identity of woman? how do I know if I have one?

I didn't chose my name and I don't attempt to control the pronouns people use to talk about me when I'm not present, so I don't think those would contribute to my gender identity.

MalagaNights · 15/05/2022 16:31

@IcakethereforeIam I know, I was just being silly!

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ValancyRedfern · 15/05/2022 16:31

So gender identity of 'woman' is identifying with something that is completely undefinable because all women are different. Clear as mud.

I'll stick with adult human female regardless of identity thanks.

Droptear · 15/05/2022 16:32

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 14:29

Ah well! Happy to have amused you!

Thank you for the fantastic content 😃

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 16:32

Sex can be altered though, hormones are one of the components of sex, and hormonal composition can be changed, as can the characteristics affected by hormones.

No. That's just cobblers. You could say the same about cyanide and the ability of the body to process oxygen.

At best you are trying to describe the most ephemeral of sex based physiological characteristics. Like breast tissue. Being very overweight will also cause some men to grow breast tissue, doesn't change their sex.

But mostly you are trying to get people to believe that changes to the external appearance are the same as transubstantiation of the actual substance if a body.

Which is twaddle.

IcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2022 16:36

@MalagaNights I don't dislike people being silly, in fact I'm all for it.Smile

user1471504747 · 15/05/2022 16:37

Anyone who thinks this man is pro women is either deliberately lying to themselves or genuinely delusional.

He supports some genuinely harmful ideas, and him agreeing with me on one issue, and even at that agreeing with me for a completely different reason, does not make me feel able to support him.

Things like this, that watch brand (egard maybe?), cheering on boris Johnson and Tucker Carlson just do more harm than good for the cause. Who and what are you really supporting when you look past the surface level talk and sound bites.

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:39

A common link usually also involves feminine names (like "Sarah"), labels (like "actress"), and pronouns (like "she"), but the more we get to specifics, the less universal these things they are.

So following your line of thinking - in the UK and France I am a woman, but as I have a name that is known as male in Spain, when I go there [which as it happens I can drive there in a couple of hours, as I live in the South of France] I become a man?

And thus will start to produce sperm? Or a moustache? Or what, what happens once I'm over the border?

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 16:40

Maybe read what has actually been written. You'll notice that everyone is aware of his other stuff. That's what we are all talking about.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 16:40

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:39

A common link usually also involves feminine names (like "Sarah"), labels (like "actress"), and pronouns (like "she"), but the more we get to specifics, the less universal these things they are.

So following your line of thinking - in the UK and France I am a woman, but as I have a name that is known as male in Spain, when I go there [which as it happens I can drive there in a couple of hours, as I live in the South of France] I become a man?

And thus will start to produce sperm? Or a moustache? Or what, what happens once I'm over the border?

That would make me male in all Francophone countries 😀

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:43

user1471504747 · 15/05/2022 16:37

Anyone who thinks this man is pro women is either deliberately lying to themselves or genuinely delusional.

He supports some genuinely harmful ideas, and him agreeing with me on one issue, and even at that agreeing with me for a completely different reason, does not make me feel able to support him.

Things like this, that watch brand (egard maybe?), cheering on boris Johnson and Tucker Carlson just do more harm than good for the cause. Who and what are you really supporting when you look past the surface level talk and sound bites.

See I think 'harmful ideas' are 'wanting kids to be sterilised and have their breasts removed' is quite harmful on the old harmful scale. But hey ho.

SierraSapphire · 15/05/2022 16:46

Yoga is the "woo" though, it's in the west it's been appropriated to be about physical practice, it's origin in the east makes asana (physical positions) only one of eight limbs, with the purpose basically being to condition the body to live a better life. The eight limbs are here if anyone is interested in knowing more about them https://blog.yogamatters.com/eight-limbs-of-yoga-patanjalis-pathway-to-bliss

I'm looking forward to the film, and this whole thing, and Brexit, has made me way less judgemental about people's different views and situations in recent years and much more willing to engage in discussion rather than assuming I am right.

IcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2022 16:51

I think I'm a man in Israel.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:58

I keep checking back to the thread as I had high hopes of finally finding out what the shared characteristics of people with the gender identity 'woman' are, but @SeldomHere seems to have reverted to being seldom here

Sad
SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 17:02

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:58

I keep checking back to the thread as I had high hopes of finally finding out what the shared characteristics of people with the gender identity 'woman' are, but @SeldomHere seems to have reverted to being seldom here

Sad

Already told you. No universal shared characteristics, because there are many different kinds of women, and there are many different ways to be a woman.