Anyone else left wing and gender critical?

[Kendodd]

I'm to the left politically.
Support BLM and was at anti apartheid demos even back in the 80s
Fully support gay rights and again, have marched in the street for them from back in the 80s.
Strong feminist, attend feminist meetings.
Support refugees.
Very anti Brexit.
Feel ashamed of the levels of poverty in the UK.

I'm also gender critical and although I do support trans rights, in that, wear what you want, TWANW and have different needs and don't belong in women's sports, prisons etc. When I look around and see who I'm standing with on this though, I feel really uncomfortable.

When it comes to voting, no way would I vote for someone with Farage like views just because they were anti self ID.
Anyone else with similar views?

[MarshaBradyo]

@Kendodd

I don’t know how anyone could read FWR and think we’re anything other than predominantly left wing.

I think it's all the posters, on multiple threads, saying they'll be voting Tory and that they're the only party who care about women's rights. Also, RW influence, Daily Mail, Express, right wing broadcasting. Although even the BBC only ever seem to ask politicians on the left the 'what is a woman 'question. Unless of course I'm missing them quizzing Tories on this.

You must be - as they have been asked

generally they do better at talking about biological reality than Labour

I don’t look at RW press you mention so not sure what you mean re GC and this

[Kendodd]

Knowing that humans cannot change sex should not be a left or right wing political position.
Your right, it shouldn't, but like so many other things, anti racism, abortion, etc it has become so. I think its because trans rights are seen as an extension of gay rights, gay rights are liberal left wing therefore trans rights are liberal left wing therefore being against extremism of trans rights = right wing. I know it's not as simple as that, with all of the issues above, but that's how , on the surface, its broken down.

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

I'm more left than Labour is in my activism but I vote strategically. The left has a long tradition of fucking over women (both centre and far left). Women have been fucked over by unions, told to wait for our issues to be addressed until their revolution happens, left to make the tea and do the childcare, treated as the harem of those men who are leaders of parties and organisations and have seen our central issues pushed to the bottom of agendas. Men on the left have rarely 'owned' their reliance on women's domestic labour or their violence and exploitation of us. Many happily use porn and prostitute women and argue that women's liberation will happen with the proliferation of the sexual open market.

As far as I am concerned I don't trust the men of the left any more than I trust the men of the right (who also do the above). To some extent, I've always been politically homeless because in my activism women come first.

I stay with the left though and try to effect change from within because the right is a real enemy of women and especially disadvantaged women and because I also care about social class and disadvantage. As an early poster said - the right need to have clarity over what a woman is so they can oppress us - and they are quite happy to screw over the poor, disadvantaged and various minority groups.

I could never align with the right. If I did social media I could never share anything from the Tories/Right/Right-wing media at least without very careful qualification because I'd see this as a promotion of them and would be concerned that it might be read as an endorsement of their broader ideology.

I will nod to those on the right who I agree with - but I will do so carefully.

I wonder if some left women will protest vote by voting Tory (now and in the immediate future), I do suspect that there are many quietly Tory GC women and I also sense that there are some newly politicised women who don't have a traditional alliance and who might align right. I also suspect that some women might see the sex/gender issue as a lynchpin and will be prepared to vote for a party that will stop funding altogether to a range of women's services/further destroy the NHS/welfare state and screw a range of disadvantaged and disenfranchised women.

I'm now more politically homeless than ever before but I will not shift to the right.

[LunaMoonHare]

@Kendodd

I don’t know how anyone could read FWR and think we’re anything other than predominantly left wing.

I think it's all the posters, on multiple threads, saying they'll be voting Tory and that they're the only party who care about women's rights. Also, RW influence, Daily Mail, Express, right wing broadcasting. Although even the BBC only ever seem to ask politicians on the left the 'what is a woman 'question. Unless of course I'm missing them quizzing Tories on this.

But clearly it isn't only the politicians on the left that are asked their views on this- the PM, Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak have all spoken on these issues recently. Liz Truss was asked on radio before.

And there are many women who are left leaning for whom this is such a massive issue, that they would consider voting Tory because of it. Sajid Javid needs to put his money where his mouth is- he is reviewing the impact of treatment for gender dysphoria, let's hope for a good outcome.

I would vote Tory to ensure children are safeguarded tbh. And I'm a former LP member who never would have considered voting for them before.

[Kendodd]

Sorry! Spelling and grammar! Extremism was auto correct, it meant extension.

[megletthesecond]

I am.

[Absurdle]

@Kendodd

Sorry! Spelling and grammar! Extremism was auto correct, it meant extension.

“Extremism” is 100% correct, though I was surprised you said it! Thought I’d completely misjudged you for a moment there, OP.

[megletthesecond]

I am. I told my labour Councillor I'd left Labour because they aren't supporting women.

[MrsRCBlack]

Also left wing and GC here. So is DH. However a lot of my left wing friends are not GC and it's a point only contention. Also feeling politically homeless!

[MrsRCBlack]

Also left wing and GC here. So is DH. However a lot of my left wing friends are not GC and it's a point only contention. Also feeling politically homeless!

[NotBadConsidering]

@Kendodd

I don’t know how anyone could read FWR and think we’re anything other than predominantly left wing.

I think it's all the posters, on multiple threads, saying they'll be voting Tory and that they're the only party who care about women's rights. Also, RW influence, Daily Mail, Express, right wing broadcasting. Although even the BBC only ever seem to ask politicians on the left the 'what is a woman 'question. Unless of course I'm missing them quizzing Tories on this.

But that’s a non sequitur. Just because people say they’re going to vote Tory or posting links to the Daily Mail doesn’t mean those posters or anyone who agrees with that is now right wing. It just means they will vote Tory because of this issue and agree with the content of the article. It’s false to assume that everyone’s entire political persuasion changes as a result of those types of things.

What it demonstrates is lack of support from traditional left wing parties and left wing media publications.

[missfliss]

Absolutely here - left leaning, socialist, anti brexit, trans rights are human rights etc - but not at the expense of womens rights and women s spaces ...

Apparently this makes me evil

[endofthelinefinally]

I am one of those people who feels I have no-one to vote for. I spoiled my ballot paper last time and wrote on it the reasons why. I always approach this issue with canvassers as a safeguarding issue. The last labour rep I spoke to said children must be free to be themselves. Somehow in their mind that means puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgery. There is no reasoning with them.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

I'd say I am centre left in most areas, left in some.

[soundofsilver]

Yes! I'm a proper bike riding, guardian reading, refill station, labour voting leftie and GC too. I don't talk to friends about it but I'm getting the impression most of them are also GC.
In fact I've only ever met anyone one person IRL who believes TWAW.

[LunaMoonHare]

But that’s a non sequitur. Just because people say they’re going to vote Tory or posting links to the Daily Mail doesn’t mean those posters or anyone who agrees with that is now right wing. It just means they will vote Tory because of this issue and agree with the content of the article. It’s false to assume that everyone’s entire political persuasion changes as a result of those types of things.


This is how I see it. I don't want to vote Tory but I will based on this issue alone. I still consider myself liberal and fairly left leaning on lots of things but feminism means so much to me, I also have a 7yr old and a 9yr old, one of those being a DD and I will not silently stand by and watch her rights eroded.

[Childrenofthestones]

@missfliss

Absolutely here - left leaning, socialist, anti brexit, trans rights are human rights etc - but not at the expense of womens rights and women s spaces ...

Apparently this makes me evil

Be honest, what proportion of left wingers you know, including feminists, are in any way GC? The reason I ask is because while most on these boards are GC the very large majority of those itrw that I know, aren't. In fact I would go further and say that people I know who were mildly left wing but in no way politically active will take up the cudgels on this subject as soon as its mentioned where as they wont on poverty or social division.
What % of the left are GC.?

[MarshaBradyo]

@LunaMoonHare

But that’s a non sequitur. Just because people say they’re going to vote Tory or posting links to the Daily Mail doesn’t mean those posters or anyone who agrees with that is now right wing. It just means they will vote Tory because of this issue and agree with the content of the article. It’s false to assume that everyone’s entire political persuasion changes as a result of those types of things.


This is how I see it. I don't want to vote Tory but I will based on this issue alone. I still consider myself liberal and fairly left leaning on lots of things but feminism means so much to me, I also have a 7yr old and a 9yr old, one of those being a DD and I will not silently stand by and watch her rights eroded.

I’m probably a bit more central than many of the pp, although very from lefty liberal space at younger age, but I agree with you.

this is too important to me and for my dd. Once we lose rights we won’t get them back

the whole thing makes me more politically motivated than any other issue has

[Imnobody4]

Yes, left the Labour Party because of this and anti semitism, spoilt my ballot paper in last 2 elections. I can't speak for the future if the left don't get their act together and return to reality.

[DomesticatedZombie]

@Childrenofthestones

Be honest, what proportion of left wingers you know, including feminists, are in any way GC? The reason I ask is because while most on these boards are GC the very large majority of those itrw that I know, aren't. In fact I would go further and say that people I know who were mildly left wing but in no way politically active will take up the cudgels on this subject as soon as its mentioned where as they wont on poverty or social division.
What % of the left are GC.?

'SNP and Labour voters were least likely to offer the biological definition, but still did so by a massive margin of more than 2:1, while Tory and Lib Dem voters were nearer 4:1'

wingsoverscotland.com/voting-for-people-who-hate-you/

[TalkingCat]

Since voting in the UK isn't compulsory, isn't the simple solution to this who-do-I-vote-for dilemma to simply abstain from voting? That way the tories aren't being rewarded with your vote, and Labour will see they are losing votes from women. Win-win I would think.

[DomesticatedZombie]

Full data tables of that recent Pollbase poll in the article linked, if you want to check them.

That is Scottish data, of course. We don't really have a 'left' here anymore - the SNP have stepped into the space that used to be occupied by the left.

[LunaMoonHare]

@TalkingCat

Since voting in the UK isn't compulsory, isn't the simple solution to this who-do-I-vote-for dilemma to simply abstain from voting? That way the tories aren't being rewarded with your vote, and Labour will see they are losing votes from women. Win-win I would think.

That's how I used to approach it but if the Tories follow through with their recent comments on women's rights and safeguarding children, which Labour have no interest in, then I will vote Tory on this issue alone.

Tbh I live in a safe Tory area and am considering ticking the box for the Tory candidate with a note to say exactly why. It won't matter if it's counted as a spoilt ballot paper because it's a safe Tory seat anyway.

[DomesticatedZombie]

@TalkingCat

Since voting in the UK isn't compulsory, isn't the simple solution to this who-do-I-vote-for dilemma to simply abstain from voting? That way the tories aren't being rewarded with your vote, and Labour will see they are losing votes from women. Win-win I would think.

Never. I can't not vote. Nor can I spoil it, though I understand the reasons some choose to do so.