Anyone else left wing and gender critical?

[Kendodd]

I'm to the left politically.
Support BLM and was at anti apartheid demos even back in the 80s
Fully support gay rights and again, have marched in the street for them from back in the 80s.
Strong feminist, attend feminist meetings.
Support refugees.
Very anti Brexit.
Feel ashamed of the levels of poverty in the UK.

I'm also gender critical and although I do support trans rights, in that, wear what you want, TWANW and have different needs and don't belong in women's sports, prisons etc. When I look around and see who I'm standing with on this though, I feel really uncomfortable.

When it comes to voting, no way would I vote for someone with Farage like views just because they were anti self ID.
Anyone else with similar views?

[Teapot13]

I don't think people on the right are gender critical. They just oppose trans rights. Not the same thing at all.

[RufustheFloralmissingreindeer]

@Teapot13

I don't think people on the right are gender critical. They just oppose trans rights. Not the same thing at all.

Depends on your definition (as usual) of gender critical

if it is purely critical of gender stereotyping then obviously people on the right can be gender critical

if it means something different to you then maybe not

[KimikosNightmare]

@Teapot13

I don't think people on the right are gender critical. They just oppose trans rights. Not the same thing at all.

Much like radical feminists then? It's exactly the same accuston made against that group.

Is objecting to say , trans women participating in women's sports or in a female prison " defending women's rights'' if it's a radical feminist saying it but "opposing trans rights'' if it's say, Ben Shapiro saying it?

[RufustheFloralmissingreindeer]

Is objecting to say , trans women participating in women's sports or in a female prison " defending women's rights'' if it's a radical feminist saying it but "opposing trans rights'' if it's say, Ben Shapiro saying it?

its just people on the right….there are a lot of people who vote tory and could therefore be considered ‘on the right’

this type of arguement started during brexit on here at least

saying all people who voted brexit were racist but anyone voting remain wasnt

just ridiculous

(and yes I appreciate that comments like that are usually caveated with the word ‘some’ but for very many posters on those boards the word some wasn’t used…ever)

[Sazzasez]

This is partly a problem caused by “forced teaming” - the assumption that certain ideas come as a package, and that, if you sign up for one, you sign up for all of them.

it follows in some respects, but for something as reality-based as whether or not mammals can change sex... well, it’s no surprise if people across the political spectrum take a view on that. The really surprising thing is that anyone, whatever their political leanings, thinks they can!

[Cattenberg]

Regarding “forced teaming”, some trans activists throw everything at us and hope some of it will stick. Apparently, every transphobic internet troll is GC, even if they share none of our views on gender.

GC feminists are also right-wing, anti-choice, anti-vax, pro-Brexit, racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, classist, sexist, anti-science and opposed to safeguarding. We’re also a tiny minority and most of us are male.

[MangyInseam]

@funnelfanjo

So say I go to a hypothetical event for GC women, and find that some of the women there are arguing for single sex spaces on the grounds of misplaced homophobia, mocking the appearance of transwomen, saying they’re going to hell and advocating violence, even genuine transphobia, can I not say that these are not values that I hold, and to my mind these are the “wrong” reasons to justify same sex spaces? The “right” reasons being the dignity and safety of the women using them.

if that makes me self righteous, well then I’ll take it.

Two things:

If we are talking about people being mocking, telling people they are terrible, etc, the right is not the only place you will find stuff like that. Progressives can also be extremely horrible in their treatment of those they deem to be on the wrong side of history.

Many of the reasons conservatives want things like single sex spaces, or object to gender ideology, are close to or sometimes even identical to the reasons many feminists give. The dignity and safety of women, the denial of the facts about reproductive role, etc.

[Timerunningout]

@Floisme

I have come to the conclusion that the left are terrified of us talking to Conservative women.

I’m not surprised it scares them because, when you do talk, you realise that, for all your many differences, you share a sex.

It’s a powerful lesson to learn and no amount of finger wagging and emotional blackmail can ever undo it.

I hadn't thought of this. But it is so true.