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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm trans so I've never used the school toilets- BBC artical pro gender neutral toilets

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 29/04/2022 14:16

This is about a trans child FtoM who has been offered the use of male, female or disabled toilets in their school but they are still unhappy as there is no gender neautral toilets.

The article is written as though the child is being discriminated against when the school have been very supportive!

I can understand why 'Felix' feels worried going into boys toilets but they have been offered alternatives.
The argument for not using the disabled toilets is that it would be 'taking it from people who need it' - but single sex spaces for girls are needed too, and these needs are completely disregarded (as usual).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61167271

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IAmAWomanNotACis · 29/04/2022 19:59

"I can relate to Felix a bit. I'm not trans but I was hugely self-conscious as a teen girl so all throughout primary/secondary school I NEVER used the school toilets for the entire time I was there! I was too afraid. Not even to change sanitary towels. It was actually painful sometimes, and I got infections. That's how petrified I was of being vulnerable in that way at school. I know they don't identify as a girl, but physically females are made to feel self-conscious about so much"

The issue of girls avoiding using toilets in schools isn't new is it - as per your experience.

It's awful that mixed sex toilets in schools (as well as those god awful open plan ones) are causing even more of these issues.

I can't help but feel Felix is a victim of many things. Gender identity ideology, (perhaps) internalised misogyny, and so on. I'm fairly sure there will be an lgbT+ group behind pressing Felix to not accept what to the rest of us seem like very sensible offers of accomodation.

ChanceNorman · 29/04/2022 20:08

But like some other trans pupils, Felix would prefer to use unisex facilities

Well that's nice. But Felix is 13, not a baby and needs to be told that the world doesn't revolve around Felix.

nepeta · 29/04/2022 20:17

The concepts of rights and privileges are not the same. I am beginning to feel that a higher percentage of the TRA demands are now for special privileges. If that is correct, it may be because Stonewall guidance has somehow been viewed as if it also takes into account the rights of all other groups than the ones it works for.

That is not the case. Rather, Stonewall will keep asking more and more, including the erasure of terms such as 'mother', i.e., turning the society and its culture into what it would be if transgender people were the majority and the rest of us the minority.

Yet the recent Canadian census found that overall only 0.33% of Canadians identify as either trans man, trans woman, or non-binary, and the non-binary group is the largest of the three groups.

tigger2022 · 29/04/2022 20:28

@IAmAWomanNotACis exactly... and Felix is a child, not an adult. I don't think we should judge her too harshly. Teens are... unique. Let's focus on the adults around her!

rogdmum · 29/04/2022 21:00

I’m going to hazard a guess and say this BBC piece is in the back of LGBTYS’ “Life in Scotland for LGBT Young People” which was presented with media launch etc earlier this week:

twitter.com/lgbtys/status/1518858304411389955?s=21

i’d also guess that Felix’s school is an LGBTYS award holder.

Personally, I’d put a lot of this (profile in the BBC) on LGBTYS.

Brefugee · 30/04/2022 09:39

I was at a meeting earlier this week where parents were complaining about the gender neutral toilets provided at our local secondary school in order to be more inclusive ( I have no children if that age) and how girls at the school were avoiding using the toilets at school because of the behaviour of the boys also using the toilets ( just for clarity biological girls complaining about biological boys no trans issues involved) meaning girls not having access to toilets of their own choice.

My DDs didn't use school toilets for years because the boys used to break in and wreck it, or burst in when the girls were using it and bang on the doors etc etc. I was on the PTA and no amount of discussion, visits to the school whatever changed it. They didn't drink during the day and it was all round awful

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