Duffield: feminists turning to Tories

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This was in the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/23/feminists-turning-tories-labour-making-idiots-womens-issues/

But has also been picked up by the Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10748529/Labour-MP-Rosie-Duffield-says-party-making-complete-idiots-trans-issues.html

You are ignoring those if us who have said we did write to the national party.

You seem to be more annoyed by having been told that your assumptions are daft than interested in anything other posters have had to say.

Another ballot spoiler here.
Former Green Party member who left over the Kathryn Bristow nonsense. When the local candidate came round I explained my reasoning and filled in the form they asked me to and haven't had any response. They've thrown my vote away.
Those of you trying to guilt us ballot spoilers by saying "well it won't count" Do you realise we desperately want to vote? Our fore-mothers died for the right to do so. But if none of the parties represent me, I'm not going to vote for the least worst option and I'm not going to stay away from the polls and have my lack of vote seen as apathy. I'm not apathetic, I'm fucking raging.
I won't ever vote Tory but I see why some left leaning women are doing just that.

Anecdotally, usually when there's an election - whether local, mayoral or general - round here, there are Vote Labour posters in many, many windows. I've seen one Vote Green poster. Just my observations and maybe these households will still choose to vote Labour but if you knew this area you'd find it unusual to see no posters.

Yet the PP and who you quoted said they wrote to the Local Party and that was who i was replying too.

The previous Labour party contact form was rubbish, only took you to the national policy forum if a member.

I am just as concerned about the direction of travel of the Lab party too but unless the national party is told of these concerns, there is little point moaning, all we seem to get is "another one going to spoil their ballot..." not anything constructive.

You can't possibly think national is unaware??!

Why do you think the leader of the opposition is being quizzed on what a woman is. He knows the issues. He knows it's a vote loser. That's why he's releasing weasel words statements that mean nothing to try and please everyone.

I wouldn't vote for him anyway now, because he's very clearly not above using deception to get women to vote for him, whilst ploughing ahead with twaw ideology and policy. If he gets it there's no way he'll abandon self I'd, after the way they treated dissenting members of their party(Rosie) they can't backtrack.

I actually think some people need to get this tribal voting mentality out of their heads. The Labour party that exists in your head is not the Labour party of reality. Ditto Tory party. Leave the identity politics behind and vote accordingly. No guilt, no hand wringing.

This should be a wake up call that just because a party markets itself on being the moral choice, it isn't necessarily true.
I spent years not listening to Tory voters because I brushed them off as evil or stupid. It's not an adult or informed way to conduct yourself. The one good thing about this issue is it has made me more open to listening.

The previous Labour party contact form was rubbish, only took you to the national policy forum if a member.

Maybe it's my age, but I don't rely on contact forms. I just look up contact details and send to them direct. There's a huge amount of contact information across .gov.uk website pages, Google etc etc.

I won't be spoiling my ballot. Unless Labour reverse-ferrets on this big time, I'll be holding my nose and voting Tory for the first time in my life. Never thought I'd see the day, but this is far too important to me to do otherwise.

all this stuff about spoiling ballots is another way of silencing people.

If you don’t submit a legible vote properly you don’t have a voice.

A reminder that Labour leadership candidates were asked to sign a pledge describing women’s groups such as WPUK as ‘hate groups’ and promising to expel them and their supporters. If I recall correctly, Angela Rayner, Rebecca Long Bailey and Lisa Nandy all signed.

And that Karen Ingala Smith, an authority on violence against women and girls who advocates for female only spaces, had her application to join the Labour Party rejected.

And of course the treatment of the subject of this thread - Rosie Duffield - by members of her own party.

Of course the Labour Party know.

Karen Ingala Smith, an authority on violence against women and girls who advocates for female only spaces, had her application to join the Labour Party rejected.

And that despite this, Jess Phillips makes use of her work each year in Parliament when she reads the list of women murdered by men.

Just a thought - does it make any difference if lots of people spoiled their ballot in the same way? I don't mean a difference to the election outcome, but if there were hundreds of spoiled ballots that said "woman = adult human female" for example, would that get picked up on somewhere?

I'm just recalling the election where someone drew a penis in one of the boxes, and it was counted as a vote for that candidate - it was reported in the news.

I feel almost relieved sometimes I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country - I have been writing things like "Would have voted LibDem if they knew what a woman was" when spoiling ballots since 2018 (that's when they kicked me out for querying what Lynne Featherstone said about feminists not being welcome in the party if they don't support self-ID).

If I was in parliament listening to Jess Philips I would shout "how do you know they're women". It infuriates me with the epidemic of VAWG that some of the names are "unknown", it's completely tragic.

If you find an unknown body of a murdered person how do we know they're a woman to include them on this shamefully long list??

left wing my arse. Don't kid yourself. Tories so welcoming to women that their mouth piece is quite happy to print misogynistic crap on its front page. Oh but it's Angela Rayner so doesn't count

This has nothing to do with the OP. Pointless attempt to divert attention from the fact that Labour's anti-women policies disgust most women who have heard about the issue.

There will be an even bigger swing against the parties who have abandoned women's rights Labour, LibDems, Greens and SNP as more people discover the anti-women reality behind the 'poor marginalised trans' narrative we've been fed for the past few years.

I detest the Tories and have never voted for them in my many decades of voting. But I won't vote for the misogynist parties standing in my local area, so it'll be a spoiled ballot paper again.

I listened to this recently. Great interview and thanks for the share. Very interestingly at the end, Matt is teasing Rosie about going for leadership one day. She is adamant that she won't and states her support for Jess or Lisa - I can only assume Phillips or Nandy. I know Lisa has very publicly stated TWAW. I wonder about interesting conversations behind the scenes. I'm still not voting Labour. Holding my nose and voting Tory this time round first in my life which is many decades long.

Holding my nose and voting Tory this time round first in my life which is many decades long.

PA: Conservative chief whip Chris Heaton-Harris is investigating reports that a Tory frontbencher watched pornography on his phone in the Commons chamber, a statement from his office has said.

At least they know what a woman is .

The thing is that this subject isn't just a "single-issue"; it changes the entire landscape on which understandings rest across a range of key social, cultural and political issues.

How can we address issues of ethnic inclusion if gender policies grossly discriminate against women from minority communities?

How do we address issues of disability inclusion if gender policies discriminate against disabled individuals that require same sex aides for certain intimate needs that enable them to do a required activity?

There are similar scenarios in terms of age and maternity issues.

Again, how can we safeguard children when adults in duty of care positions, such as teachers, are being encouraged to dismiss issues of children and consent?

How do you safeguard refugees if self-declared gender is one of the parameters for appropriate housing? You end up with single refugee females in houses with single host males, and visa versa.

How can we ensure state and healthcare funds are allocated appropriately if certain community statistics are overinflated or underinflated due to a muddying of inclusion parameters? If you have £40k and two sets of proposals: one about a transgender teen health project that proports to tackle some 800 trans-identifying teen girls in a borough, and one about funding a mental health crisis project for transgender adults, it matters how many of those 800 teen girls are just playing out a tiktok teen fad and are not actually gender dysphoric.

It is a basic understanding that the sex of a human body matters on a fundamental level, similarly to age. We do not allow people to identify as younger or older than they are in order to access services and facilities they might desire or to withdraw from certain services or obligations without some form of civic oversight.

But the debate about gender has thrown all this out of the window. Gone is the understanding of the need for some form of civic oversight for radical reinterpretations of basic human parameters.

And that makes this subject an "everything" issue.

I decided to send my ballot paper to Rosie Duffield with the reasons I had not been able to vote Labour written on the back of it.

Labour seems to say that it's only a small fringe opinion (that women and children matter) but if she can produce evidence to Keir Starmer that it's quite a lot of us, maybe it will help?

Just couldn't bring myself to vote Tory.

And that makes this subject an "everything" issue

Yep.

Hmm which is worse,?
The party investigating misogyny, or the party that is convinced it doesn’t have a problem?
Which party has the deeply misogynistic view that Men can be women. And yet doesn’t have a misogyny problem?

Cognitive dissonance?

I cant think of a time when I havnt voted in national elections but like many PPs, I have really agonised on this question. The Tory Party stands against just about every ethic I hold, so no, I cant live with myself and vote for them. But I agree that womens sex based rights are crucially important.
So Ive worked out a holding position. Im upfront active within a "captured" party in contesting this nonsense but I will also spoil the ballot paper with a very clear message as to why if things havnt changed dramatically between now and the next general election. And not just words but deeds to prove it!

Well I’m shocked at the number of women who think throwing their vote away is some sort of badge of honour.
remember these elections are for local councillors , you know, the ones in charge of gender neutral toilets, leisure centre all gender changing rooms, rainbow crossings, your MP will stay the same.
vote with your best interests whatever they are.

Is a party investigating misogyny? I hadnt heard about that.

Sorry my bad investigating use of pornography in the commons, I conflated it with misogyny

Some women are new to the debate, they will probably go through a similar process as the rest of us. Spoil your vote, then finally choose a least worst option. I've said somewhere, maybe this thread, I'm done with spoiling my vote, have spoiled the last few or 3 or 4 and I refuse to do that again so I'm voting. But as I also said back when I was spoiling votes, it's my vote to do as I choose. That's the whole point of the system. The fact I turned up to place my ballot (and it's not round the corner for me, it's a couple miles walk at night because work) and then defaced it is my protest. My protest is just as valid as the next.

I will make the best decision I can, which is all any of us can do. It’s a dreadful predicament and I’m not going to criticise anyone who chooses a different course. Nor will I take notice of anyone who uses haranguing or emotional manipulation techniques to try and make me change my mind.