Duffield: feminists turning to Tories

[ResisterRex]

This was in the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/23/feminists-turning-tories-labour-making-idiots-womens-issues/

But has also been picked up by the Mail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10748529/Labour-MP-Rosie-Duffield-says-party-making-complete-idiots-trans-issues.html

and I think Javid's on manoeuvres here for a potential leadership run, what with the inquiry announcement this weekend and the new HRT tsar

Well if he is, and comes up with a legal ruling that transwomen aren't biological women and never can be, then maybe the other parties will buck up their ideas too? At the moment it's like the Emperor's New Clothes - we all know that transwomen who have testicles and a penis aren't women, but we are not allowed or too afraid to say so.

"Well if he is, and comes up with a legal ruling that transwomen aren't biological women and never can be, then maybe the other parties will buck up their ideas too?"

We can only hope...

Ah weel. Tis all academic for me this ime round. No elections due here. Have to wait for next year!

I'm politically homeless now, but if Rosie Duffield was my MP I'd vote for her in a heartbeat based exclusively on her stance in this arena.

I'm a natural Labour supporter, but cannot vote for my local Labour candidate because she honestly thinks it's fine for a man to decide whether he gets to access female spaces based on his 'feelings' rather than the women/girls whose space is being violated.

This is important enough for me to not support Labour. It's just sad that means it strengthens the Conservatives, specifically in my area with only a 2% swing last time.

A spoiled ballot is a vote they didn't get. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.

A spoiled ballot could be a vote the opposition party didn’t get.

The only ballots that count in elections are the clearly legible completed votes

I may be disenchanted with Labour but I will never vote Tory. I cannot possibly endorse anything Priti Patel, JRM or Boris Johnson have done or said, and I cannot ignore the rampant misogyny exhibited by male Tory MPs. They disgust me.

My Labour MP is completely silent on the subject of self ID and I suspect she may be closer to Rosie than her MP associates are, so I acknowledge my choice is easier.

I will not vote Tory.

But my God I won’t vote Labour or Green or LD until they recognise what a woman is (and more importantly what it is not).

Need to do research into my local candidate to find out their views.

A spoiled ballot represents a vote the opposition didn't get, but also one you didn't get. Those are voters that want to voite but for some reason are not willing to vote for any of the candidates - they are potential swing voters. They could also in a tight race be the difference between winning or not.

Knowing who those voters are and why they are not voting is worthwhile if the votes are close, even on a national rather than local level. Both because they might belong to you, and also because they might not.

Parties that don't understand why people are voting, or not voting, will tend to lose more often than not. Though Labour evidently does not care much, perhaps this is why the Tories keep winning? I'm reminded of that interview with Matthew Goodwin where he describes giving the same presentation about his research around voters to Labour and Tory MPs - the latter paid attention and asked questions, the former could not have been less interested.

spoilt ballots are completely ignored, all that matters is the winning total, be that 10 or 100k, the winning candidate and party will not care.

For those that are genuinely politically homeless, tell Labour! don't just sit there and take this crap.

labour.org.uk/contact/

If enough people write to Labour, then thats how policy gets changed.

Well of course, but any of those spoiled ballots could make a difference in some areas if they had gone to a candidate instead.
There were enough close calls last time, if the spoiled ballots had not been spoiled a different candidate would have won.
I guess in some areas like mine where a red rosette on its own would win, add a animal and it would clear the board, then spoiled ballots dont matter. But marginal seats where its won or lost on less than 100 ballots, then every spoiled one is scrutinised.
I know a green party candidate got one of the spoiled ballots awarded to them. I forget the actual details now.

You know weve told labour? This is not our first go around.
I emailed him and got no reply at all.
He can fuck off now.

Kier, kier not him!

I did tell them, at length and in writing, when i resigned my membership of the party over this very question.
I did not receive a reply.
(Such naivety to think writing to Labour would change its policy when people
anyone, not even members? write to them. )
Makes you wonder why they hold party conferences and elect party officials and national executive council members. All they need to make policy is to take note of what people write and tell them!
I wouldn't hold your breath.

"Labour isn't listening".

Now that would make a good poster.

Thank you but we know the Labour Party contact details.
Do you really think we haven't tried telling them?
Seriously?

i doubt it, as that contact page hasn't been up long, it was awful and regional before the update.

Have also been asking the Tories why after 12 years in power, they have led us to this state of affairs?

No thought not.

I told my local party when I left.

No, I haven't spoken to the Tories. Why would I? They are not my party.

Theres a website called write to them or the like.
It's been around a long time, plus you can Google the mp name and find contact that way plus a government website and probably a myriad of other ways to find contact details for any mp exist. And to add a few posters put contact details in posts so we don't even have to go looking. So yes when we say we contacted an MP , we really did.

And wtf would I contact the torys? I'm not a Tory?

i doubt it, as that contact page hasn't been up long, it was awful and regional before the update.

Don't be daft. I wrote and emailed the local, regional and national party when I returned my membership card - the year they categorically stated they did not want my gender critical vote.

Contact details for MPs are, and have always been, public information.

And yes, I have contacted the Tories. Local longstanding incumbent is one. Unlike all of the Laborites I contacted he replied and has done so several times since.

He still has not got my vote but he does have my attention.

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist ah can't make your point without calling people names, typical Tory then.

..and what would your local party do, they don't make policy.

If it is of concern to you, write to the national party.

If enough do, then thats how things change.

Why do you think Labour would listen to a letter when:

Most of us have already written letters.

They have a moderate GC voice in the party(Duffield) and rather than listen or at least entertain different views, they shut it down by bullying behaviour.

Labour are on record responding to your position, just not the response you want to hear. Cervix unmentionable, rights hoarding dinosaurs.

What exactly do you think you/we will say in these letters that will make them change course? They have access to crime stats, they have access to educational stats and mental health stats. They have far more resources than you or I, and have been pointed in the right direction numerous times.

Just accept the fact that they don't allign with you. You won't explode if you vote for the Tories once or spoil your vote.

Names? Nope!

And not a Tory voter either.

That poster said they were a member of the Labour partythe Labour party is far more at home with slinging insults to avoid substance.
See AR and her scum outburst.