The Family Sex Show to continue, despite widespread outrage

[MatthewJTaylor]

The twitter account for the theatre group behind the Family Sex Show (@ThisEgg_) has revealed that there are performances planned of the Family Sex Show despite the cancellation of the national tour and they are looking for more venues to take them on.
It seems that the Bath performance(s) is/are running.

In plain sight. And people ask how the Jimmy Savile thing happened. Like this. It happened like this. They are telling us exactly who they are, just like he did.

@tabbycatstripy

‘Honestly I don't know that this is really even appropriate for pre-teens and teens who might be quite interested in such things. That doesn't mean that having adults ask this at a theatrical production is appropriate.’

It’s not. If a teacher asked your 14 year old whether blow jobs sounded pleasurable, they would (rightly) be fired and I hope it would be referred to police.

Adults don’t discuss sex acts with children except for informational purposes - safety, risk, biological understanding.

Give it a few months and it may be added to the Scottish curriculum if the Scottish Governments latest hire is anything to go by...

‘Give it a few months and it may be added to the Scottish curriculum if the Scottish Governments latest hire is anything to go by...’

It will be. His PhD is critical of ‘informational’ sex ed. He thinks it leads to poor outcomes because children don’t understand enough, and are not ‘sexually competent’ when they first have sex.

Now there might be something in that idea, but not in the conclusion that teachers should be instructing on “pleasure”. They are not pornographers.

Can you imagine if a primary school set the homework of "research masturbating animals on the internet"?! There would be massive outrage in the media. Why is this not getting the coverage it should do?

I hope they disinfect and thoroughly fumigate the venue afterwards. Can you imagine the smell🤮🤢

‘Why is this not getting the coverage it should do?’

I don’t know. There’s a lot of conflation between our (reasonable) concern and the agendas of right wing homophobes, abstinence advocates and (actually) transphobic people. That’s one factor.

Another is probably the nexus of sympathies between people who occupy left-wing power bases: theatres, media, publishing. There are loads of people on Twitter going “oh you poor poor darlings! All you wanted to do was strip in front of some children! How dare they?!”

@Moppincraxy

Can you imagine if a primary school set the homework of "research masturbating animals on the internet"?! There would be massive outrage in the media. Why is this not getting the coverage it should do?

The Guardian and the ‘I’ were never going to pick it up for fear of provoking the pronoun people.

Yes all you wanted to do was get naked in front of small children

Talk to them about masturbation and encourage them to google a lot of stuff guaranteed to produce images highly inappropriate for the age group

Encourage a belief in young children that experimenting with sex is all good fun and something they should crack on with in between watching octonauts and building genitals out of playdoh

Ensure they're indoctrinated that safeguarding is stupid, if you enjoyed it it wasn't abuse, there's no such thing as biological sex kids, pick your sex, women who want rights are evil and we call them names and spit upon safeguarding concerns.

Ffs.

Did anyone else catch the bit about 'they want to riff off or replace' the sex ed guidance for schools, hence not doing this in schools?

@Absurdle

I am sure most of them are useful, unparalleled idiots. But I find it hard to believe that whoever designed that “zine” didn’t know exactly what they were doing. The way the material smoothly escalates from innocent to completely inappropriate. The way it seems to be designed for an adult to work through it with a child, but you have to ask yourself what kind of adult ever would?

This is exactly what I was thinking. Its too good at the slow escalation to be anything other than intentional. It may as well be titled "A groomer's guide to lowering children's boundaries"

@tabbycatstripy

Absurdle

But some people do that because they think it’s fine for children to Google masturbating monkeys or whatever. They really believe this sort of exposure keeps children safer because “knowledge” and “fun”.

Loons, obviously.

It’s the way each page ramps up smoothly that makes me think it’s all quite deliberate. If you think there’s nothing wrong with kids being exposed to explicit materials, why not just start with those? Instead each page starts off with fluffy talk about feelings or how you could support a person coming out or whatever and then escalates to explicit sexuality. And the way they keep suggesting Google searches that are going to bring up porn, but they aren’t direct about that. It’s not just catastrophic stupidity and naïveté, there is cleverness and concealment in how those pages are designed.

@Moppincraxy

Can you imagine if a primary school set the homework of "research masturbating animals on the internet"?! There would be massive outrage in the media. Why is this not getting the coverage it should do?

I don't know.

Daily Mail! Where are you!

@tabbycatstripy

‘Why is this not getting the coverage it should do?’

I don’t know. There’s a lot of conflation between our (reasonable) concern and the agendas of right wing homophobes, abstinence advocates and (actually) transphobic people. That’s one factor.

Another is probably the nexus of sympathies between people who occupy left-wing power bases: theatres, media, publishing. There are loads of people on Twitter going “oh you poor poor darlings! All you wanted to do was strip in front of some children! How dare they?!”

I really don't see many right wing homophobes or transphobic people, as you describe, following this issue. All I see are women, and some men, who find this disgraceful.

'Transphobe' is dished out as soon as anyone dares disagree, hence why few people do openly, or sit quietly thinking it's ok because everyone else is going along with things.

It may as well be titled "A groomer's guide to lowering children's boundaries"
Exactly.
I don't understand how this is allowed to exist at all.

Absurdle

I’m not saying I think it’s definitely not the work of child-interested people. It might be. But there’s a certain (wrong) mindset that says comfort with a topic makes the topic okay.

So - for example - I could slowly inure my young child to violence. I could let them watch (or, like this show, make them watch - the kids aren’t buying the tickets) content with increasing levels of violence, beginning with Tom and Jerry and progressing to Saw, Hostel, the Human Centipede...

I might decide that because the kid wasn’t distressed, it was all good. I have successfully made them comfortable and they are now enjoying extremely violent content with nary a whimper.

Now, if you’re not a dangerous idiot, you understand that what you have actually done is desensitised them. You have abused them by making them comfortable with violence. Like these people would be abusing 5 year olds by making them ‘comfortable’ - gradually - with porn and masturbation.

I think you can genuinely think you are doing good while being an abject fool.

‘I really don't see many right wing homophobes or transphobic people, as you describe, following this issue. All I see are women, and some men, who find this disgraceful.’

I don’t either.

@QueenSue

It may as well be titled "A groomer's guide to lowering children's boundaries" Exactly. I don't understand how this is allowed to exist at all.

Presumably the trans activists who get posters here deleted for mentioning that trans ideology offers loopholes easily exploited by groomers will be complaining about this show too? Because with their use of the word "terf" and their open grooming, the organisers have linked the two things together in a way that we are not allowed to.

This smacks to me of the kind of highly enthusiastic, indoctrinated and phenomenally righteous while naive who believe that they know best, everyone else is wrong, anyone disagrees is stupid (or evil) and they have a job to spread love, light and The Word.

And will bear no responsibility of any kind for the wreckage they leave behind them on their happy little way.

This is what grown ups are for. To see this kind of thing coming and be willing to be the bad guy in the name of not letting this kind of nutjobbery loose on kids. No one sane could possibly agree with this.

I see what you’re saying tabby; you agree with me that it’s deliberate but you’re saying that perhaps it’s intended as deliberate desensitisation to sexual material that isn’t deliberate grooming for abuse. I don’t really buy it. In particular the open-ended questions on each page seem designed as opportunities for abusers.

In the end, I suppose it doesn’t really matter if it’s intended as a child sexual grooming resource sheet or if it accidentally functions as such. I still think at least one person involved knows what they’re doing.

Use the internet to find some examples of animals that masturbate
Christ alive, I'm over 50 and dont want that search term on my hard drive.

What in the hell are they thinking? Can tell that they really went all out to find someone invested in safeguarding. And evidently took their advice
andthrewitaway--

www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/the-family-sex-show-cancelled-in-norwich-8905696

Cancelled! 🙂

Here’s my two cents on the ‘intentions’ behind this show.

I think the ‘actors’ and other staff have thrown themselves in to the fashion of queer theory and gender ideology. And in doing so have developed the obligatory hatred of anyone they perceive to be ‘square’ or ‘right wing’ (which lets face it means anyone that doesn’t unquestioningly agree with everything stated by queer people on Twitter).

Do I think they’re paedophiles? I can’t be certain but I don’t think so. I think this is more about ideological grooming than sexual grooming for the direct benefit of those involved in the show - basically trying to plant the seeds of queer theory in young minds so they grow up with the kind of views that the actors will approve of.

My other take is that people heavily invested in queer theory really, really enjoy inflicting their ideology on children and young people because:
a) they are impressionable and less likely to critique the #bekind emotional blackmail
b) they love the thought of a bunch of outraged ‘square’ parents very upset at the thought of their child being exposed to it, but unable to do anything about it - but we have! Go us!

With regards to grooming for sexual purposes, I think at best they’re indifferent about whether the show results in eroded boundaries and therefore easier access for sex offenders. At worst they might see it as some kind of progressive movement like PIE 🤮

‘In the end, I suppose it doesn’t really matter if it’s intended as a child sexual grooming resource sheet or if it accidentally functions as such. I still think at least one person involved knows what they’re doing.’

Well, that’s entirely possible. I don’t really care, it’s wrong even if they’re all just idiots.

I think the ‘actors’ and other staff have thrown themselves in to the fashion of queer theory and gender ideology.

Yes. And perhaps it's a good demonstration of exactly what those particular theories and ideologies lead to when academic theories are put into practise - undermining and ignoring and removing boundaries, including age and consent. As Absurdle says above:

In the end, I suppose it doesn’t really matter if it’s intended as a child sexual grooming resource sheet or if it accidentally functions as such. I still think at least one person involved knows what they’re doing.

@AuntyFungal

It’s times like this, that I wish certain banned posters with particular specialisms in , oh I don’t know, say safeguarding, could be reinstated.

Especially when you consider what they were banned for & how the specifics of the ban could be challenged if it were in other settings ie work…

Absolutely! I think Mumsnet should reconsider their high handed ban on that person. They were an asset on here and that voice is needed now more than ever.