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16 year old grooming victim in Rochdale was arrested for being a madam

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 17:58

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Between 2008 and 2010, a child abuse ring that came to be known as part of the “grooming gang” phenomenon operated in Rochdale,Greater Manchester. Girls aged between 13 and 15 were trafficked, prostituted, raped and assaulted by the gang.

One victim was forced to have sex with at least 20 men in one night; another was forced to drink vodka, and was vomiting over the side of the bed while being raped by “countless men”.

The perpetrators would pass the girls to their friends, often to settle a debt. The victims, many of whom were from difficult backgrounds and therefore particularly vulnerable, were plied with drugs, alcohol and fast food, and then taken to “chill houses” across the north of England to be abused. One 13-year-old victim became pregnant and had an abortion. Some of the men involved were arrested, tried and found guilty. But not all.

One of the victims – given the fictitious name Amber inThree Girls, the BBC One drama about the abuse – was 14 when she was targeted by gang members. After a troubled upbringing, Amber had been placed on the child protection register as being at risk of sexual and emotional abuse and neglect. Craving love and attention, Amber was lured into a nightmare, subjected to repeated and often violent sexual abuse.

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That nightmare should have ended with the arrest and trial of the perpetrators, but instead the police, Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) and even social services treated her not as a victim but as a perpetrator.

When we met in a hotel in Rochdale last month, Amber was accompanied byMaggie Oliver, a former police detective who walked out of the job in protest at the way Amber had been treated.

In 2009, when Amber was 16, uniformed officers arrived at her mother’s house, arrested her and took her to the police station.

“[I] can’t remember exactly what they said, but it was something along the lines of being a ‘madam’,” she recalled. “I didn’t know what that meant.” She was held in custody for hours before being released on bail. Her mother was not allowed to be with her during the interview, and there was no mention of an appropriate adult.

Amber had, under pressure from the abusers, taken some of her friends to the takeaway where the ringleaders operated from. She told me: “It wasn’t like a forced thing. It was like a casual, ‘Oh, bring your friends.’” She was a vulnerable child, being sexually abused, controlled and in fear.

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No further action was taken against Amber, but it would be another two years before the CPS agreed that she should be treated as a victim and witness rather than a suspect. During that period, Amber – by now pregnant and living in a one-room flat – continued to be targeted by the grooming gangs. Although police interviewed a total of 56 men on suspicion of abuse, only a handful were tried. There were therefore many still walking free that had evaded detection.

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Without Amber’s initial evidence there might never have been a trial at all. She gave the police a list, at an early stage of Operation Span, with nicknames, telephone numbers and other details relating to offenders. She later went on to positively identify a number of offenders, which enabled charges to be brought against them all.

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But in court, she was portrayed by the prosecution and defenceas an assistant pimp. Because she was not involved in the trial, and therefore did not give evidence, she had no opportunity to defend herself. She was vilified and nicknamed in the press as the “Honey Monster”. Although a court order prevented her being named, everyone in her local community knew who she was.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/17/rochdale-victim-i-was-groomed-at-14-then-the-courts-came-for-my-children

Why was there so much interest in placing responsibility on Amber? Yes, the victims of child abuse and repeated rape are groomed into introducing other girls into the horror. We know this. The priority should be identifying and criminalising rapists surely, not schoolgirl victims in denial about being rape victims?

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gardenhelpneeded · 17/04/2022 18:00

I read that. Shocking. Again just smacks of the victim blaming that went on throughout. She was so brave too. Sad

Iflyaway · 17/04/2022 18:05

Yes, I agree with you. Unbelievable that Amber was made out to be a perpetrator in all this!

A 16-year-old girl??!

Makes me furious quite frankly.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 17/04/2022 18:18

So the old rule "Always blame a woman" has officially been extended to include girl-children.

Since the police now routinely record male crimes as being by women, if that's what the male criminals want, we shouldn't be too surprised.

Wauden · 17/04/2022 18:21

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Child sex abuse ring in Oxford that was a subject of a serious case review.

In June 2013 the gang received sentences totalling 95 years for what the presiding judge, Judge Peter Rook, described as "a series of sexual crimes of the utmost depravity".[6]Brothers Mohammed and Bassam Karrar received life sentences, with minimum tariffs of 20 years for Mohammed Karrar and 15 years for Bassam Karrar. Brothers Akhtar and Anjum Dogar received life sentences with minimum tariffs of 17 years. Kamar Jamil received a life sentence with a minimum tariff of 12 years. Assad Hussain and Zeeshan Ahmed were both jailed for seven years.[6]In a further trial involving 3 gang members in 2018,[28]Mohammed Karrar was again found guilty and sentenced to 18 years in 2019, while Bassam Karrar received 10 years and Anjum Dogar received 20 years.[29]

Grotbag81 · 17/04/2022 18:21

Amber was originally a victim and the CPS and police changed it without her consent or informing her.

Please Google Raja Miah (MBE) on you tube as recusant nine. Labour in Manchester are currently to busy with the emerging grooming scandal involving Oldham Council known locally as the "Oldham Cartel" locally and trying to suppress it, using the usual delay, omissions and act daft tactics.

Sadly nothing has changed, nothing at all.

The only thing they do want to change is to give the general public the idea, that this a historic crime that is on the wane rather than the rise.

DandyMandy · 17/04/2022 18:24

Disgusting. The way the police handled this will always be infuriating. The only thing they were worried about was being called racist. The rape of women and girls was something they accepted on that basis.

Hoppinggreen · 17/04/2022 18:26

The Polices reluctance to do anything about these grooming rings has always been far more about judging the girls involved than the race of the men involved in my opinion

WarriorN · 17/04/2022 18:27

It's horrific. Absolutely horrific. I hope Amber can hold her head high with dignity. She did so well to het it to trial. Maggie is also amazing.

Georgeskitchen · 17/04/2022 18:29

Shocking and still going on in the UK

MindPalace · 17/04/2022 18:31

Amber still sees the abusers who were not prosecuted around and about her town. Must be horrific for her. A complete travesty.

Wauden · 17/04/2022 18:35

@DandyMandy

Disgusting. The way the police handled this will always be infuriating. The only thing they were worried about was being called racist. The rape of women and girls was something they accepted on that basis.
That was the same in Oxford. Operation Bullfinch.
MichelleScarn · 17/04/2022 18:40

Its bloody disgusting and buys into the shiny belief that 'well she wasn't a victim was she, even brought her friends into it, can't have been that bad for her' fuckers.

MichelleScarn · 17/04/2022 18:40

Not shiny-shitey !

Icecreamandapplepie · 17/04/2022 18:42

Absolutely despicable.

Girls between 13 and 17 are seen as fair game or at least partially culpable by much of the population it seems.

She deserves compensation, poor girl.

She was the victim, she was a child.

winterchills · 17/04/2022 18:44

Shocking case and is happening all too often. Massive case in my home time too. Those poor children

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 18:52

@DandyMandy

Disgusting. The way the police handled this will always be infuriating. The only thing they were worried about was being called racist. The rape of women and girls was something they accepted on that basis.
I think there is something far more sinister to it than that. No-one worries about racial profiling, when they're doing stop-and-searches. No-one cares much about losing their job about black men still being more likely to die in police custody. It's only when protecting girls from sexual abuse that race becomes really important to be sensitive about.

Everyone, please read this article, and then come back. I'm curious to see if you reach the same conclusions I did.

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A girl of 12 put her trust in the hands of police after a sex attack – but was handed to predators who inflicted yet more abuse.

The vulnerable youngster – tipsy and upset – was sent packing by a desk clerk who told her to accept a lift home with two men who were at the police station over motoring issues.

It was the start of an horrific ordeal in which the girl suffered more than 20 sex assaults by eight men in one night, including 15 rapes.

Just one attacker was caught and today the victim is still fighting for answers – 15 years on.

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Her rape nightmare unfolded on October 27, 2006, when she went to Oldham Police Station to report being molested

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The vulnerable girl had been drinking cider in a churchyard in the late afternoon when a man sexually assaulted her.

She sought refuge at the police station but says that before she could say why she was there a clerk dismissed her as a timewaster.

The girl said: “The clerk knew I was drunk and I’d lost my phone. I was scared I would bump into the man again. Two men at the door offered a lift.

"The clerk said, ‘They’ve offered you a lift, go with them’. The men were being asked to produce licences for driving offences.

“I don’t know how they haven’t been identified. There must have been logs.”

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-tried-report-abuse-police-24911404

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ErrolTheDragon · 17/04/2022 19:01

If you missed it, Maggie Oliver was on Women's Hour this week - I don't know which day, I heard it on the Saturday show.

SpinningMeSoftly · 17/04/2022 19:07

Because she was not involved in the trial, and therefore did not give evidence, she had no opportunity to defend herself

This practice really fucks me off, that vulnerable people can be named (or otherwise) identified and accused of all sorts in court, and have no right of reply if they are not called as a witness. The supposed 'role' can then be reported in the papers, discussed on TV and radio, the lot. It takes on a life of its own.

It's not justice.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 19:12

Regarding the Mirror link.

So. Imagine being on a police reception desk, back in 2006. Not that long ago really. Imagine you have zero professional safeguarding training, but you are nevertheless an adult.

Would you ever have advised a 12 year old girl to get into the car of a complete stranger who happened to be in the station for some reason? I don't flamin' well think so. You'd have called her parents to pick her up.

But this officer is so clueless he doesn't call her parents to deal with her. He sends her off with complete strangers. How unlucky is he that on the day he totally mismanages the situation with a 12 year old girl, he also manages to pull the short straw and send her home with the rapists who are also at reception?

And from there, she ends up being picked up by more rapists, one of whom has now been convicted. But the police completely bungle the investigation, to the extent none of the rest are, including the first two rapists who collected her from the police station.

Something a bit fishy here, no?

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Iflyaway · 17/04/2022 19:49

Utterly horific.

The police are not fit for purpose.

We saw that with Sarah Everard. God bless her.

Jduh · 17/04/2022 20:03

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nepeta · 17/04/2022 20:07

Oh Jduh, I am so so sorry for your sister. That is dreadful.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 20:12

I am so sorry Jduh. May she rest in peace.

In a just world, all those men would be in prison for rape and her murder.

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happydappy2 · 17/04/2022 20:14

the police logs must surely identify the 2 men who drove off with the girl & attacked her...a drivers licence is identification of them. presumably they would have given their names, dates of birth, address etc.

Wauden · 17/04/2022 22:07

@PurgatoryOfPotholes. Sounds like collusion, like the police receptionist or officer was part of a group or a cover up.