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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing

1004 replies

ickky · 14/04/2022 16:22

The Tribunal will start on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

I have sent a request but haven't had anything back yet. Hopefully nearer the time.

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 03/05/2022 10:39

I was thinking the same, Jules.

I used to be a legal clerk and can't get my head around how that bundle would leave the office in that state.
The senior partner simply wouldn't have accepted that standard.

SpindleInTheWind · 03/05/2022 10:41

If this is Stonewall's tactic then I'm happy to keep supporting Allison in any way necessary, including her fees.

Why the fuck the judge doesn't sanction this multi-million pound organisation for behaving so contemptuously I really don't know. Or will it affect costs awards at the end?

DomesticatedZombie · 03/05/2022 10:43

I hope all costs are ultimately payable by Stonewall.

nauticant · 03/05/2022 10:43

Argument for SW/GCC for maintaining constraints on public accessibility to the bundle are:
that the public can understand what the issues are and what the evidence is from the core bundle; and
this would mean free availability of witness statements and witness evidence only needs to be made availalble for the duration of the case and no longer than that.

exwhyzed · 03/05/2022 10:45

Is it just a winding the clock down/ delaying tactic?

The more time they spend arguing about this the less time there is for them to stand in front of BC and explain their actions?

DomesticatedZombie · 03/05/2022 10:45

Nominative determinism in action if Stonewall act like this?

Pluvia · 03/05/2022 10:46

Making sure you're muted and can't be seen is really easy.

Log onto the court web browser using the link in the email sent by the court.
This takes you to the conference URI/ Alias page and shows you the name that will come up when you join the conference.
Click Settings. Set camera to None. Set Microphone to None. Tick Mute microphone when first connecting. Tick Always preview audio and video settings before connecting. Click OK.

You are now muted and invisible. Every time you log out and log back on you will be required to check your settings (None/None) before you log on. The court will never hear you eating your cornflakes or watch you fiddling with your flies.

Zeugma · 03/05/2022 10:46

Isn’t it ironic that Ms Omambala, for SW, is arguing there has to be a cogent reason for 'going beyond the rules' when it comes to providing a bundle with all the evidence that everyone can see and understand. Remind me who said that 'getting ahead of the law' was a good thing?

nauticant · 03/05/2022 10:46

IO (Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW): The purpose of the documents provided in this case is to enable the tribunal to make its decision, it's not to make life easier for journalists.

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 10:46

'Proudly going beyond the law' doesn't sound so good now?

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 10:49

Stonewall calls it's intranet facility 'The Wall'. That's tickled my Handmaid's Tailbone.

nauticant · 03/05/2022 10:50

Essentially the arguments from IO are that Stonewall don't want their witness statements to be accessible once this trial is over, for "who knows what use over who knows what period of time".

Pluvia · 03/05/2022 10:52

Gosh, they're sounding very much like people with something to hide, aren't they?

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 03/05/2022 10:53

Hmm. Sounds like they think they'll lose. What have they got to hide???

nauticant · 03/05/2022 10:54

I'm wondering whether this is a very clever tactic by AB and BC. If there's one way to wave a massive flag to get journalists to flock to an event like a trial it's to get one party to say that free access to documents needs to be prevented.

DomesticatedZombie · 03/05/2022 10:54

Pluvia · 03/05/2022 10:52

Gosh, they're sounding very much like people with something to hide, aren't they?

100%

'not helpful to discuss how badly prepared the bundle is'

Is it not?

DomesticatedZombie · 03/05/2022 10:55

a simple matter of mental arithmetic?! To 6000 pages?!

Zeugma · 03/05/2022 10:56

Exactly at the moment IO is rubbishing BC's remarks about how hard it is to navigate the bundle, several people pop up in the chat box explaining EXACTLY how very hard it is…..

tabbycatstripy · 03/05/2022 10:56

EJ's facial expressions are golden. I don't read anything into them but she has an amazing face.

nauticant · 03/05/2022 10:56

IO: "witnesses should not be subject to comment or villification" and providing downloadable documents would risk this.

Signalbox · 03/05/2022 10:57

Talk about labouring the point.

Pyjamagame · 03/05/2022 10:59

I'd be worried about vilification if I was witness for Stonewall or GCC.

Zeugma · 03/05/2022 11:00

And now they’re going to labour it a bit more….

ickky · 03/05/2022 11:00

Yes let's remember who is subject to vilification.

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TheBiologyStupid · 03/05/2022 11:02

Yes, SW aiming to make vilification more difficult is a first!

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