Trans woman selected for Womens football squad

[HermioneKipper]

TW - a male - selected for England Universities Sport Women's Squad. Depriving a woman of a spot.

mobile.twitter.com/HastingsUFCW/status/1509175209118638093

Womens sport is being destroyed before our eyes. I am so angry but I don’t know what I can do.

It’s utterly depressing

@ChristinaXYZ good questions. Does anyone have the answers?

I am bubbling with rage. This is so incredibly unfair.

I wonder what Newhaven Ladies think of having to score goals past a male goalkeeper?

Unless they refuse to play they might go looking for a t-man for their goal.

@ChristinaXYZ There is a clip posted on another thread showing male gymnasts doing female disciplines and the female Olympians are shocked at how good they are. The implication being it may not be a disadvantage to be male in that discipline either.

Female olympians shocked by how easily men perform the hardest moves in female gymnastics.

Megan Rapinoe is the world's most famous female footballer.She supports this nonsense and is now safely retired of course.

Didn't stop Megan getting her arse handed to her by under 15 boys football team. Probably was so traumatising that she has erased it from her memory.

Of all the positions in a football team goalkeeper is the one where size matters the most.
You get tall strikers like Peter Crouch, chubby like Ronaldo, muscular like C Ronaldo, short and wiry like Messi. It's the same with every other outfield position (small defenders are rare, but not unknown).

What you never see is a small goalie. Never. Height, hand size, reach, kick distance, jumping ability - these are the things that make a good goalkeeper. Shay Given was an excellent keeper for over a decade, but he never got called up to a really big team such as Man U or Arsenal or Liverpool as he was 'too short'. He is 6'2".

In case no one has posted this thread. A man in the crowd watching this player shouted 'its not fair, 'that's not a woman' etc.
The club was fined by the fa. Judgement linked in this thread.
mobile.twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1509808886471143424

@ControversialOpening

Of all the positions in a football team goalkeeper is the one where size matters the most. You get tall strikers like Peter Crouch, chubby like Ronaldo, muscular like C Ronaldo, short and wiry like Messi. It's the same with every other outfield position (small defenders are rare, but not unknown).

What you never see is a small goalie. Never. Height, hand size, reach, kick distance, jumping ability - these are the things that make a good goalkeeper. Shay Given was an excellent keeper for over a decade, but he never got called up to a really big team such as Man U or Arsenal or Liverpool as he was 'too short'. He is 6'2".

whilst that is all true, the differences between men's and women's football in this country go well beyond the physical, there's also, at any given level, a big difference in technical/skill level, largely deriving from incomparable participation rates. think of the number of boys you see kicking a ball around in any playground or park compared with the number of girls. this isn't necessarily true of all sports, eg at her peak, in tennis Serena Williams could have beaten any man in the world who wasn't a damned good player, ie a very talented athlete in his 20s or maybe late teens with many thousands of hours of tennis specific practice and (probably professional) competitive experience under his belt. the same isn't true in football. a decent men's parks team (Saturday football not Sunday league) would beat the pro England women's team. the men's England rugby or cricket team would almost certainly do the same. any pro club's under 18s men's football team would effortlessly do it. the gap has closed a little over recent decades but is still huge. a male player who transitions post puberty has benefited from the incomparably better support and infrastructure that's available to boys, and by being included is sending out a dreadful signal to young girls who were thinking about getting involved in what's still actually, in mass market terms, quite a new thing.

@Skyellaskerry

It's taken a long time for the womens game to get to where it is today. Football wasn't available to me when I was at school but it's been great to see the rise in girls and women playing the sport, from schools right through to the professional and international teams. The mens and womens game might be the same but are different to watch, unsurprisingly. It is sad to think of women losing places and opportunities to play, at all levels.

Only two nights ago the largest ever crowd watched a womens football match in Barcelona, over 91,500 people watched and relished a great sporting event. I hope it is an indication that many people are increasingly fed up with watching sulky overpaid boys with radical haircuts diving to the ground at any sign of a tackle, and want to watch enthusiasm and skill back in the game.

If men want to play football there are thousands of opportunities for them to do so, the opportunities for women are growing but are far fewer, accepting men , no matter how they identify, into womens football is another example of prioritising mens wishes over womens.

@334bu

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967432/

Blair' s fantastic kicking power might not just be down to all that hard work

Reading that article on kicking is interesting. They talk about BMI, left and right side dominance , pressures on knees and a lot of other “technicals”. What they don’t seem to mention, or figure into their calculation - which is a bit surprising because it is a fundamental difference in the physiology of men and women - is the completely different pelvic configuration that men and women have, how the angle of hip /pelvis is completely different between the sexes, how the angle of a man’s pelvis means that movement is more efficient.

Disclaimer : I only read the article very quickly, maybe the pelvic anomaly is mentioned and I missed it.

[quote Manderleyagain]In case no one has posted this thread. A man in the crowd watching this player shouted 'its not fair, 'that's not a woman' etc.
The club was fined by the fa. Judgement linked in this thread.
mobile.twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1509808886471143424[/quote]
This takes us to Stasi levels of control. Not only can you not question it, but if anyone else you have no control over says it, you also get punished.

I can't see these FA rules lasting. They read very much like an extreme trans activity got in there quickly a few years ago (when people didn't really understand the issues) and persuaded the FA governing body who were not really paying attention that this was all ok. With all the light being shined on it now, it has to be reviewed.

Ah! Blair. Tavistock's Blair!

@viques completely agree with you!

@Abhannmor

Megan Rapinoe is the world's most famous female footballer.She supports this nonsense and is now safely retired of course.

Her senior women’s team (who were the women’s World Cup holders) were beaten by an under 15 boys team from Texas.

www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/

The gulf between men/boys and women in football is astronomical.

This isn’t tennis or gymnastics (or to a lesser extent golf) where women have been participating at a competitive professional level for decades and the standard is good, women’s football is very underdeveloped. Given time and lots of coaching it will be on a par with the standard of women’s tennis and women’s gymnastics. The last thing it needs is male-born players coming in to wreck it.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10679981/Trans-goalkeeper-used-play-mens-football-selected-England-Universities-womens-side.html

I can't see these FA rules lasting. They read very much like an extreme trans activity got in there quickly a few years ago (when people didn't really understand the issues) and persuaded the FA governing body who were not really paying attention that this was all ok. With all the light being shined on it now, it has to be reviewed.

I guess they just transplanted their approach wholesale from their handling of racism and homophobia. Given a long history of that in football, they're quite heavy-handed on those too.

But it's not simply analogous. They're not running separate gay and straight leagues, and separate white and black leagues. But they are running separate male and female leagues.

Even if there is real "transphobia", there is also the fundamental issue of people being permitted to compete in the wrong sex class. That's the debate here, and what they've got wrong. And as long as they're getting it wrong, opposition will keep increasing.

I played football this weekend. One of the opposition who I had to mark was a bit of a bruiser - I've had run-ins with her before - and I had to be very physical (within the rules of the game) to do my job, but I knew I could hold my own.

If that was a male player, I'd just have had to back off. The risk of injury would be too high and I still have to go to work on Monday morning.

@ControversialOpening

Of all the positions in a football team goalkeeper is the one where size matters the most. You get tall strikers like Peter Crouch, chubby like Ronaldo, muscular like C Ronaldo, short and wiry like Messi. It's the same with every other outfield position (small defenders are rare, but not unknown).

What you never see is a small goalie. Never. Height, hand size, reach, kick distance, jumping ability - these are the things that make a good goalkeeper. Shay Given was an excellent keeper for over a decade, but he never got called up to a really big team such as Man U or Arsenal or Liverpool as he was 'too short'. He is 6'2".

Pickford (Everton) is not tall for goalie - he's only 6 foot and he is the international keeper. He compensates by his athleticism in other respects - he can't half jump! A shorter woman might not have the springiness to compensate. Pickford is quite explosive - lots of male fast twitch muscles.

Men can jump higher than women.
University of Texas study on vertical jump
" results showed no real significance for females between body fat percentage and jump height (p>0.05), but significance was seen in males. Analysis of the results revealed that males naturally have a higher vertical jump, leg strength, and force and power production than females."

Yesterday I was boasting to DH about England's sportswomen, with our cricketers in the World Cup final and our women's teams doing creditably in other sports too. Today I find our women's football team is fielding a male person in goal.

I always thought cheating was the worst offence in sport. How old-fashioned of me.