Starmer: biology matters

[tabbycatstripy]

“Biology matters, and for the vast majority of women that’s what matters. Nobody is quarrelling with that. But there’s no denying there are also a small number of people who struggle with their gender identity, and they go through a difficult time...”

Went on to say that three times. Almost exactly what Rachel Reeves said: “the vast majority of women” - in other words, there are women who are not female.

Robotic performance aside, it’s at least better.

“Biological sex matters - especially to (biological) women who are vulnerable to aggressive or predatory men.”

This is called a sex stereotype.

Suggest not feeding the returning TRA troll

So if identity isn’t dictated by stereotypes, or physical characteristics, what is it dictated by? How do people know they are a woman or a man?

identity is just a fashionable dream, however in the real world biology does matter. I am guessing you think the world is flat too. Poor love.

The dog just wandered into my study and farted and wandered out again. I think it might be her way of saying it's bedtime.

@Cayeli2

"Man" and "woman" are social identities, and you are imposing them on the basis of (your simplistic idea of) sex.

You are imposing masculine and feminine names, pronouns, labels, and frankly, dress codes. You claim not to, but you have a "actually men crossdressing in public is bad too" thread almost every week.

No.

A man is an adult male human irrespective of what he wears, what alterations he makes to his body, what name he chooses, what hobbies he follows, what his likes and dislikes are.

A woman is an adult female human irrespective of what she wears, what alterations she makes to her body, what name she chooses, what hobbies she follows, what her likes and dislikes are.

I/we are not imposing anything on anyone, men and women live what lives they choose provided they access the spaces and services they require on the basis of their sex.

@Cayeli3

Anyway, keep spouting your disingenuous bullshit, clearly I won't be able to stick around for long to confront you about it, so I guess you can feel free to lie to your heart's content lol.

To be fair, I’m invested in seeing what number cayeli we get up to. It’s like a toddler having a tantrum when they can’t get the blocks in the holes and their mum is ignoring them.

Identity is a choice. Biological sex isn’t.

Stella Creasy MP was on Politics Live on BBC today saying that Woman = Adult Human Female, but watered the effect down by adding that "most women have vaginas and cervices but some have penises because they were born men but have become women". 🤔. She seemed confused.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015y98/politics-live-31032022

They were discussing the cycling 🚴 at about 23:45 mins in.

Because that's her identity. Identity is not in any way dictated by stereotypes, nor by physical characteristics. No one is being put on a pathway to medical transition because they "want short hair and football boots", medical transition is the means to address physical dysphoria. Nothing to do with stereotypes.

You're talking about two different things here - people with an 'identity' and people who want to make a physical medical transition.

What is the identity based on in the case of someone who doesn't want to medically transition? Why does this person have a 'woman' identity and not a 'man' identity? What is the difference between a 'woman' identity and a 'man' identity?

If a person doesn't want to undergo a medical transition and doesn't have dysphoria about their sexed body, what makes them trans?

@OhLordyWhatNow

Stella Creasy MP was on Politics Live on BBC today saying that Woman = Adult Human Female, but watered the effect down by adding that "most women have vaginas and cervices but some have penises because they were born men but have become women". 🤔. She seemed confused.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015y98/politics-live-31032022

They were discussing the cycling 🚴 at about 23:45 mins in.

She's one of the big disappointments. She clearly doesn't believe it for a second.

Can't wait to see what pious guff La Nandy comes out with.

@Cayeli3

“Biological sex matters - especially to (biological) women who are vulnerable to aggressive or predatory men.”

This is called a sex stereotype.

That is called a fact, based on evidence.

to be fair, I’m invested in seeing what number cayeli we get up to. It’s like a toddler having a tantrum when they can’t get the blocks in the holes and their mum is ignoring them

Up to 3 already

Goodness

'Transitioning' in this context does not and cannot mean actually changing sex. It means taking actions in an attempt to change how others see you, which apparently can range from just saying something to taking hormones or having surgery. None of this things make a person change sex, because it's not possible.

@TotalRhubarb

I didn’t realise we’d be having the sixth form debating society in tonight.

Do we think there’s a rota??

@MrsWooster I do. It’s whoever finished their biology homework last gets a go.

I thought biology education was generally a myth and frowned upon in the US? Isn't it more like extended bible classes in a lot of states?

@Cayeli3

I think I understand where you're coming from. But isn't the problem that social issues related to biology have been foisted upon women by forces beyond their control?

In a world where there was no rape, no sexual harassment, no discrimination on the basis of sex in work and career advancement, no abuse within marriages and relationships, I doubt women would be so worried about protecting the exclusivity of female spaces. But these things exist, and not because women want them to exist - so women then have to demand what is needed to protect themselves from them.

It's then a bit disingenuous to pretend that everyone can just muck in in a big sex-and-gender-free-happy-go-round where biological sex doesn't matter, isn't it?

It obviously matters to the men who commit rape.

Crochet has it, I reckon. You get a D- in biology and get sent here for basic Biology 101.

We know that there re many many girls who feel terrible about their sexed bodies but we do not think that they need to undergo radical changes to their bodies or name them as boys or men. Time for clarity...I think some may be getting there.

What I really don't get is why, why do these men want to be women?? I don't get it. Womanhood is not a social construct, it is a biological state!
In terms of shared female experience, I have more in common with an ancient Celtic menstruating woman than a man from 2021! We all know this, though right?? It's like the Emperors New Clothes delusion.
But why? Why want to be us now? What is the point? Do they like the heels or the fancy dresses? Newsflash, I'm a woman and I don't even wear those!! I doubt there were men queuing up to be us when we couldn't vote or inherit property!
I find it all odd and deeply worrying.

@Crcohetmonster

I did like the fact 1 day after the whole “ no one can define woman”, a Labour MP vowed to uplift women and girls. If they can’t define woman, who do they know who to uplift? Do they just go round lifting random people up?

@ScreamingMeMe that is class!

Ok, I will bite.

In Afghanistan, half of the population over the age of 11 are banned from attend school. How do the authorities tell which half should not attend? Can those people identify out of it in order to continue their education? If not, why not?

This TRA guff is a luxury belief in most of the world.

Gender critical women are enforcing gender stereotypes now? Words have no meaning at all now, do they?