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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour MP says women don't have penises

69 replies

MalagaNights · 29/03/2022 11:18

At last.

She was a bit hesitant but she said it.

She may need to know she has our support as they will go after her.

Thank you Siobhan McDonagh

twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1508722014365884416?t=iI5Lsy38vWA49elxMpSKdA&s=19

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MalagaNights · 29/03/2022 11:19

Wrong link

twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1508728282396692483?t=lz3UaO4Tu7D1DXldLJ-WRg&s=19

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/03/2022 11:20

Can you imagine having to post something like this just a few short years ago? We'd all have thought you'd gone mad, OP, whereas now we are all falling off our seats in astonishment that a Labour MP is willing to state this obvious fact. O tempora, O mores. Angry

tabbycatstripy · 29/03/2022 11:27

Fantastic. She might think we (GC women) don't want people to live their lives as transitioning adults, or have 'sex changes' to make them more comfortable. That really isn't my position. Siobhan is much closer than she thinks she is to our side, and that looks very hard to do in the context of Labour politics, so well done to her.

Ahoy7829 · 29/03/2022 11:32

What is her constituency?
I encourage all in her constituency to actually vote for Labour, for her. I am a long term Labour voter and honestly thought I'd never vote or encourage someone to vote for them for quite some time!!

Amazing, if you're reading this Siobhan, thank you. Thank you for using your voice.

ResisterRex · 29/03/2022 11:33

Not fantastic. She said women asserting the importance of sex are provoking an argument.

Overall it was a mix of bad and not fantastic - the rabbit hole was used but also she did seem to support single sex spaces for women but couldn't say at what point a man with a penis becomes a woman if he wants to.

Ahoy7829 · 29/03/2022 11:34

Recognising women don't have penises is what it all comes down too.
Sex is real and it matters.

It so blindingly obvious it feels ridiculous saying it but labour seem to struggle to comprehend that.

tabbycatstripy · 29/03/2022 11:35

'She said women asserting the importance of sex are provoking an argument.'

She did, but she also said TRAs are provoking an argument by trying to ignore the importance of sex. She is at least trying. She obviously knows what a woman is and deserves praise for her bravery in not just spouting the line.

Ahoy7829 · 29/03/2022 11:36

Sorry I didn't watch video - risk of waking up sleeping toddler on me!

That's such a shame, but it is a step in the right direction. If she recognises women don't have penises, understanding relevant safeguarding and risk assessments isn't a big leap

EggNcressida · 29/03/2022 11:37

Good for her. I imagine reading that in 1990 you'd think it was a line from a month python sketch or something..

Beowulfa · 29/03/2022 11:38

She's my MP, and is local to the area (Mitcham & Morden- an unglamorous part of Sarf Lundun) rather than parachuted into a safe seat. I will write to her and press her on it. She's getting there!

tabbycatstripy · 29/03/2022 11:40

Positives:

  • doesn't deny sex exists
  • doesn't say it's prurient to talk about it
  • recognises women sometimes need single-sex services
  • knows women don't have penises
  • recognises transition is a way of living your life, not magic male-female transformation

Negatives:

  • still seems convinced people just want a row
  • not sure whether a man can actually at some point become (literally) a woman
MalagaNights · 29/03/2022 11:42

She was hesitant.
She's scared.

We need to encourage people to be brave and let them know they will be supported.

She did say JKR is a national hero.

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IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2022 11:45

Siobhan had a bit of a weak start (hatred?), rallied (afh), rallied some more (no women don't have penises) with a stumble (I don't think so) then staggered across the line (despite some men can become women).
What a rollercoaster! Don't know that she'd have made it if Julia hadn't been in the saddle. I wonder how she'd have shaped up if a twaw had been asking the questions?
Even so, best show of all labour politicians so far. I hope she doesn't suffer from any fallout.

Rodedooda · 29/03/2022 11:45

Someone engaging their brain.

Farcical situation where politicians and candidates have to check what the party line is on what they're supposed to think a woman is.

EggNcressida · 29/03/2022 11:45

Pleased to see she's said that about JKR 🌤

tabbycatstripy · 29/03/2022 11:46

No-one seems to have noticed so far.

IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2022 11:47

Yes, the lovely emphatic words on JKR were heartwarming. I loved that.

senua · 29/03/2022 11:48

Wiki says "McDonagh was first elected in the 1997 election for Labour, having been selected through an all-women shortlist" I should hope that she does know what a woman is!

ChocoholicContralto · 29/03/2022 11:51

TRAs have hijacked the linked poll though 😡 mobile.twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1508729013732265990

ResisterRex · 29/03/2022 11:55

[quote ChocoholicContralto]TRAs have hijacked the linked poll though 😡 mobile.twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1508729013732265990[/quote]
Someone's said it changed in 10 mins from 97% to whatever it is now.

Parties who take Twitter polls seriously will most likely regret it.

Politics4me · 29/03/2022 11:55

Maybe she has ambitions: From yesterday questioning Rishi Sunak at a Treasury Committee evidence session. Labour MP Siobhain McDonagh
‘We have a tax burden rising to the highest level since the 1940s, the worst fall in living standards since the 1950s, public sector net debt reaching the highest level since the 1960s and real earnings growth facing the largest one-year drop since the 1970s.’

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 29/03/2022 11:58

When questioned about hatred, the first Group she talked about was TRAs which I was surprised by. She was clear JK Rowling is a national hero - good start.

Other than that, she sounds like an awful lot of people on here before they realised the were GC. She wants people the be able to live their lives. Generally ok with transwomen in safe spaces post surgery (which plenty of us were fine with/tolerated before the last few years) but no women don't have penises... I got the impression she's just not confident about it all yet given how contentious the debate is, and is conflicted between what she's (likely) being told by the party (nasty GC right wingers are just trying to deflect from the disasters of the Conservatives so avoid the questions) and her gut reaction (well obviously a man isn't a woman and why on earth are people being so vile to JKR when she's fabulous).

I see her leaning to GC more than Genderist in reality. Whether she'll be willing to nail her colours to the mast or will just follow the party line for self preservation is a different question, but the hesitation and confusion isn't exactly unusual for someone who hasn't been embroiled in the debate for years like others, so, in lieu of a firm GC position, I'd rather hesitation and a bit of hedging while she considers it, than a definitive 'of course women have penises and don't you know transwomen can have a cervix'.

I got the impression she can sort of see what's going on, but is looking through the frosted glass rather than opening the window and seeing clearly.

Time will tell (and this might age very poorly!) but I hope common sense will prevail.

Somanysocks · 29/03/2022 11:59

I disagree, she went round in circles, she said she thinks they can become women when they transition.

Thewindwhispers · 29/03/2022 12:01

I hope more Labour MPs follow her lead. Wow, isn’t it rare to see any kind of leadership within Labour! Apart from the wonderful Rosie Duffield of course.

I really hope Labour distance themselves from the trans extremist women-haters before the next election. I despise Boris Johnson and don’t want to vote for him, can’t believe I’m considering it, but only his party acknowledges my right to say that I exist as a category different from transwomen. And my right to say that I exist is important to me.

It’s so hard. Last two elections I voted Liberal and Green but they have gone mad too. There is literally no one left to vote for.

tabbycatstripy · 29/03/2022 12:04

'I disagree, she went round in circles, she said she thinks they can become women when they transition.'

I don't have a problem with the 'for most intents and purposes' point of view. I don't literally think anyone changes sex but I accept that some people who have had surgery have gone through as much of a sex change as it's possible to go through. I don't actually mind a person who has had reassignment surgery sharing toilets and so on. I think it's about 800 people.

The problem for me is that we're not allowed (legally) to exclude on that distinction. We're only allowed to rule on natal sex.