Labour MP says women don't have penises

[MalagaNights]

At last.

She was a bit hesitant but she said it.

She may need to know she has our support as they will go after her.

Thank you Siobhan McDonagh

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@doeadeeer

Have you seen the poll results?!?!

The problem with polls of this type is that they have no wider relevance, because the people who vote in them are nothing like a representative sample of people, in general, or even of people on Twitter. A couple of large websites tell their readers to go and vote, and the results change immediately to reflect one or the other side of some debate, and usually those sites take one or the other extreme position on the issue.

There are also robots which can be weaponised to distort such polls.

I agree it is a bit mixed but what I love is that she is gloriously off message and she does ponder things, probably way too much for her party managers liking

@zanahoria

I agree it is a bit mixed but what I love is that she is gloriously off message and she does ponder things, probably way too much for her party managers liking

Well, I hope she gets support.

" Any journalist worth their salt must think all their Christmases have come at once now that they have this question in their arsenal "

Especially as Kier and Angela are trying to look down on the whole debate as crass.

I predict it will get more crass untill a journo asks Kier if he believes in ladycock

They've asked Emily Thornberry MP, too. I genuinely don't understand answer

Let's do a thread with all of these in the same place

[quote ChopinBoard]They've asked Emily Thornberry MP, too. I genuinely don't understand answer

Let's do a thread with all of these in the same place

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Wow. That was extraordinarily rude. Was she eating for part of that interview? And what the point of bringing in the murder of an Iraqi Kurd, if not to place a sub-text of "GCs want to shoot TW in the head"?

She didn't answer the question either. And finished by being very rude - again - to the interviewer.

All the Tories need to do is let Labour answer like this on QT or one of those TV debates, and say "no".

That's so fucking RUDE!!

Thornberry was rude, and awful. Obviously it’s appalling that someone was murdered for being gender non-conforming. It doesn’t mean I can’t legitimately ask for a female doctor (which would be the outcome of Thornberry’s dreadful logic).

The mask came off a bit, didn’t it? Unpleasant, dismissive, eats her dinner while talking to polite journalists asking her polite questions.

Yep. Contemptuous, evasive, and yet somehow still on her high horse.

But one interesting thing was the point at which her obfuscation came into play. Because, in the case of the poor person she describes, she didn’t know whether there had been reassignment surgery, she was saying she didn’t know whether that particular woman had a penis, and it didn’t matter. She seemed to be arguing - simultaneously - that there is a point in the physical reassignment process when a male ‘becomes’ female, and at the same time she was arguing that it’s more compassionate to draw a veil over when/whether that happens for reasons of ‘humanity’.

But she also seemed to be arguing that an inner feeling is enough to make a person a male or a female.

So it’s hard to tell what she really thinks, except that, in her mind, we’re all really rude for asking anything about it.

It's always going to be no contest putting a razor-sharp Hartley-Brewer against one of Labour's woolly sheep.

But enjoyable spectacle aside, the absurdity of where we are is being lost in the tangles of argument about an absurdity. I mean how can we seriously even be asking whether a WOMAN can have a penis? And arguing about it. Having interviews with politicians about it. Writing articles in newspapers about it.

Does anyone remember and long for those innocent days, not many years ago, when Germaine Greer felt obliged to point out that a woman is not a man minus p? How did we get from that to thinking it is even sane to ask whether a woman can have a p?

All this nonsense has solidified my thinking that we need a complete abolition of the idea of GRC. We should never have pandered to anyone's idea that you need a certificate re: your identity. Offering this helped obfuscate that sex is set at birth and that there are no gender-segregated facilities. She is not helpful in saying that people are provoking arguments so not entirely getting it.

[quote ChopinBoard]They've asked Emily Thornberry MP, too. I genuinely don't understand answer

Let's do a thread with all of these in the same place

[/quote] She effectively said yes. So she effectively said that labour don't support any sex-based protections. Then she said that anyone arguing with that is problematic.

What is this vile woman doing in a position of power?

We could come up with just as heart rendering stories about women shot and killed because of their biology (not identity) - many, many times more stories. But she says she doesn't care about sex-based oppression and violence.

Awful, hideous scum.

It's like she's too stupid to believe that in order to tackle the causes of violence, you might first need to understand it.

So long as she didn't have an utterly appalling voting record on other issues I care about, I'd vote for Siobhan with a joyful heart. She's said nothing there that is a dealbreaker for me. She sounds like she has compassion for people who wish they were the other sex, and she has compassion for women. That's absolutely fine with me.

"yet somehow still on her high horse"

A common theme in the Labour responses

Not sure how they think taking the moral high ground and talking down to people will help

They did not show much compass ion to Rosie Duffield when she was being hounded

Siobhan did sound remarkably human for an MP

@Politics4me

Maybe she has ambitions: From yesterday questioning Rishi Sunak at a Treasury Committee evidence session. Labour MP Siobhain McDonagh ‘We have a tax burden rising to the highest level since the 1940s, the worst fall in living standards since the 1950s, public sector net debt reaching the highest level since the 1960s and real earnings growth facing the largest one-year drop since the 1970s.’

I think that her ambition is to be a good constituency MP and to serve her constituents to her very best. Which she is, and she does.