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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Martial Law prevents Transwomen leaving Ukraine

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MathSage · 26/03/2022 16:44

The Guardian reported that Transwomen trying to flee Ukraine are being stopped and turned back by border guards. Under martial law, men aged 18-60 are not permitted to leave. They are needed for the war.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/22/i-will-not-be-held-prisoner-the-trans-women-turned-back-at-ukraines-borders

The transwomen say they are legally women. It is not clear whether Ukraine’s martial law applies only to those whose sex is female or also those men who identify as the opposite gender.

This would seem to be another situation where it is important to decide whether a ruling applies to someone according to their sex or their gender. Here male border guards are refusing to let biological men identify as non-men. What’s more, how can the guards tell who is sincere?

I know this is a dreadful situation but surely the key question has to be how citizens can best support their country. Many biological women are choosing to remain. Even some with children or other caring responsibilities. I heard a Ukrainian MP on Radio 4 describing how she had to continue to serve, so she had arranged for her child’s father to take over childcare.

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ServantofthePeople · 18/04/2022 09:15

“People can have their own views on the trans/gender debate of course. But I’d say in this instance, people living in a wealthy and peaceful country should probably be keeping their views to themselves about who should be allowed to leave and who should be made to stay and fight and possibly kill/die in a far away war. It’s pretty distasteful.”

This.

zoeFromCity · 18/04/2022 09:17

@SadlyMissTaken

Surprised at some of these comments . I agree that if males are subject to certain rules, those rules should apply to TW. But comments like "the country needs defending?" imply support for conscription. I don't agree with it. It should be an option. If insufficient numbers choose to fight so be it. I'm sure many would prefer to live under Putin than die in the mud.
It is a false dilema. Why do you think that they would be allowed to just live under Putin? Russian forces were expecting very short war, but taking mobile crematories and other tools for body disposal with them anyway. They hadn't expected it would be their own bodies needing them. Realistic scenarios talk about mass executions as a next step if Russia had won quickly.

And Ukrainian men aren't forced to fight, they can do normal civilian work, or but many are volunteering for defense or at least some control posts duties.

NippyWoowoo · 18/04/2022 09:29

@ServantofthePeople

“People can have their own views on the trans/gender debate of course. But I’d say in this instance, people living in a wealthy and peaceful country should probably be keeping their views to themselves about who should be allowed to leave and who should be made to stay and fight and possibly kill/die in a far away war. It’s pretty distasteful.”

This.

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