Lia Thomas - Social Media

[waterbabys]

Honestly this is just a rant.

I have now seen at least 4 or 5 people on my social media (friends and family so cannot delete them) who have ZERO background or interest in sport, now sharing articles defending Lia's right to swim with females. I feel like I'm going mad. Every time I see posts like this I want to challenge them, I know all the facts & stats because as an ex-national swimmer I've followed this story intently, but ultimately I'm a coward afraid for my job.

😩 RIP women's sport. I feel like giving up.

These people must be beyond stupid

The thing is, they're really not. They're just very liberal and very concerned about possibly offending someone and feel that accepting transwomen is the best thing that they can do.. It doesn't help that the women that lose out, way down the chain, are hypothetical and invisible (especially if the ones that come 3rd and 4th are feeling like they have to say that they are in support). It's much harder to feel sorry for hypothetical girls in grassroots sports who are losing out, when they aren't telling their storie as victims of oppresion in your face, the way transwomen are. At least, that's the only way I can reconcile what's happening. People who aren't stupid, but are convinced that transwomen shoudl be allowed to compete, that JKR has abused them terribly, that transwomen just want to pee in peace, that most transwomen have had surgery and hormones and a troubled tormented past and need all our sympathy, so that they aren't oppressed in the way gay people were in the past. I think sometimes it's misplaced guilt for that that is driving some of this.

Sorry if this seems like I'm getting at you Catherina but I want to ask what you mean by:

'good thing you didn't, because that photo has been used to spread hate'

How is that image 'spreading hate'. I look at that image and see a man standing a small distance away from three women. Are you suggesting that accepting the truth of what my eyes are telling me is hateful? Is it only spreading hate if people see what I see? Is it only spreading hate if this image is waking people up to something they were unaware of before? Or is it showing the reality of what is happening?

What about the people who have been conditioned to see a tall, broad shouldered, narrow hipped woman standing apart from three women. Is it still spreading hate then?

Nothing on my FB about this. The only people I see celebrating it on Twitter are very woke. Most people know this is wrong. There are even a few TRAs on Twitter saying LT is throwing the whole agenda and should step back for the sake of long-term 'progress'.

'good thing you didn't, because that photo has been used to spread hate...'

If you can only continue to justify something if you keep it in the dark...

*good thing you didn't, because that photo has been used to spread hate, where this is what the woman in the middle, Erica Sullivan says:

“As a woman in sports, I can tell you that I know what the real threats to women’s sports are: sexual abuse and harassment, unequal pay and resources and a lack of women in leadership. Transgender girls and women are nowhere on this list”*

The hate being spread is to women. It's silly to talk about the 'real threats' to women in sports without recognising that this is about to be 'solved' by pushing women out of sports.

It's hatred of women that means those female athletes are essentially competing for second place.

Don't you know that wearing a one-piece and having long hair makes Lia a woman?
I thought this was what we all thought!

The swim suit actually CHANGES their sex. It's amazing

I wonder if it works the same way the other way round? If I cut my hair short and put on a pair of Speedos and said I am a man would they mind at my local pool? (For clarity, I am a biological woman)

Showing an obvious male diving into a pool ahead of the females is definitely 'spreading hate'...towards the women, yes. Someone hates females having their own races that's for sure.

How can posting a photo with no comment be considered "hate"? Most people will only be looking at the sheer physical disparities between the woman and Thomas. Is noting and observing those differences "hate"

The definition of hate seems to be " something I don't agree with"

Could you post something along the lines of agreeing with Sharron Davies, saw an interesting article with her in the other day about this.

Also think that Lia would be more believable as a woman if they had committed enough to get rid of their tackle as part of their transition - not that it would make them a woman but would show a long term commitment at least...

[quote FrancescaContini]@CatherinaJTV

You lost me the minute you referred to yourself as “cishet”. Can’t be bothered to work that out and besides, who cares?

By the way, have you actually read the OP? Your post is a non sequitur.[/quote]
The 'cishet' is actually a fascinating, fascinating phenomenon in the gender identity movement. It marks you as very very privileged.

And that is extremely interesting, as it refers to people who never transitioned and are heterosexual. That is well above 90% of the world, but it is not seen as denoting the overwhelming majority of people; it is used to imply someone is privileged.

The rule by a tiny minority is what's happening in lots of places, to point out something very obvious, but because that tiny minority has colonised the Women's Country (among other places), it can now demand that the old rule of citizenship being based on birth be abolished because it is unfair to the colonisers and ex-pats.

It really is like that country was ruled by those two groups. Part of that rule is banning the language the natives speak.

@CatherinaJTV "It's no wonder that the people who stand with GCs are (mostly) on the (far) right of the political spectrum. "

That's utter tripe, I have dozens and dozens of friends who don't believe males can become - nor should they call themselves - WOMEN - and we are all of Green or Labour political leaning.

Calling feminists "far right" is a tactic that's been and is used to try and employ a McCarthyist strategy to silence people. I cannot think of a single woman I know who is "right wing".

Jog on, we see you

@ChiefInspectorParker

It's no wonder that the people who stand with GCs are (mostly) on the (far) right of the political spectrum.

Are they, aye?

Forced harnessing. This is the new talking point. You forcefully connect one justice movement with some other movement. If the justice movement is one you wish to attack, then you connect it with something its members would deplore. If the justice movement is your own, you connect it with a movement for justice that is more supported than yours.

In both cases you argue that the pairings link like with like.

[quote MidCenturyClegs]@CatherinaJTV "It's no wonder that the people who stand with GCs are (mostly) on the (far) right of the political spectrum. "

That's utter tripe, I have dozens and dozens of friends who don't believe males can become - nor should they call themselves - WOMEN - and we are all of Green or Labour political leaning.

Calling feminists "far right" is a tactic that's been and is used to try and employ a McCarthyist strategy to silence people. I cannot think of a single woman I know who is "right wing".

Jog on, we see you [/quote]
Totally agree with you. It really isn’t a left-wing versus right-wing issue at all. It transcends political affiliations.

@DazzlePaintedBattlePants

I’ve found the opposite. People who previously wouldn’t have commented on anything related to feminism or equality are now piping up - both online and IRL - saying that Lia is out of order and what the hell is going on? Quite heartening.

Me too. My mum told me her friends brought it up and were furious.

A lesbian relative actually posted it on fb about him being a cheat and a man.

I only know one person irl who spouts the be kind bollocks, everyone else thinks it's batshit.

recognise all of this as anti-feminist. Same sht*

There is NOTHING feminist about promoting the idea that a man's feelings make him a woman.

There is NOTHING feminist about cheering on a man taking opportunities and medals away from women.

There is NOTHING feminist about thinking it acceptable that Lia Thomas and his penis be allowed into the female changing room in case it hurts HIS feelings to be told NO.

The trans movement is nothing like the gay movement. It's forced teaming.
Gay men don't demand access to female sports and spaces.

@EricCartmansMagicalUnderpants

How can posting a photo with no comment be considered "hate"? Most people will only be looking at the sheer physical disparities between the woman and Thomas. Is noting and observing those differences "hate"?

Well there is a requirement for people to turn the other way and not notice these differences, so noticing, and then daring to have the audacity to comment on the unfairness / cheating behaviour, is hate in the eyes of the woke / #bekind types. After all, women are only support humans, there simply to validate men / reproduce. Women have clearly lost their way / forgotten how they should behave.

Exactly. And remember that 'hate' means women trying to protect women and children from men.

'Hate' does not mean screaming at violence-survivors, assaulting non-violent people, organising abuse by online mobs, disrupting meetings, getting people sacked from their jobs, or making death threats. Those are not acts of hate, as long as it's men doing these things to women.

@waterbabys

Honestly this is just a rant.

I have now seen at least 4 or 5 people on my social media (friends and family so cannot delete them) who have ZERO background or interest in sport, now sharing articles defending Lia's right to swim with females. I feel like I'm going mad. Every time I see posts like this I want to challenge them, I know all the facts & stats because as an ex-national swimmer I've followed this story intently, but ultimately I'm a coward afraid for my job.

😩 RIP women's sport. I feel like giving up.

Really, what kind of age are they? I don't know anyone, bar one gay male friend in his 50's who said to me a few months ago that he wanted to be inclusive, I wonder how he feels now though, I will ask when I next speak to him, as I know he very much is aware that there are clear differences between men and women.

So if there’s no biological advantage, show me all the trans men battling to be on male sports teams.

sorry, had a lovely long walk...

re: picture and hate - I have seen the picture "pitched" as: look, the three women stand apart in solidarity for each other.

re: heights - two women on the same volleyball team, do we impose a cut off? Why not? tall v small

@Sandinmyhooves

So if there’s no biological advantage, show me all the trans men battling to be on male sports teams.

sure

wrestling

swimming

hockey

boxing

@Sandinmyhooves

So if there’s no biological advantage, show me all the trans men battling to be on male sports teams.

Rather show them on the podium in male events.

@CatherinaJTV They’re trans women, which is kind of my point…

Men are generally stronger than women. Anyone who says trans women competing in all women’s sport is fair, is wrong. Trans men (female to male) would get trampled in mens sports.

Apologies - the first is a transwomen, the others aren’t. Fair play.