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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Charlotte Nichols tells us all to "pipe down". I'm convinced....

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RVN123 · 23/03/2022 06:36

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10641645/Sharron-Davies-blasts-Labour-MP-dismissing-lazy-criticism-row-trans-swimmer.html

"Anyone nastily trying to diminish Lia Thomas's incredible achievement because of lazy transphobia should frankly pipe down. Huge congratulations to her.'"

Well, I'm convinced. I'm packing up my women's rights and fucking off into the glorious new world.

Pipe down you bigots!

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Lurking9to5 · 23/03/2022 06:38

Yes, "cis women" should just accept this.

Aquafizzle · 23/03/2022 06:41

I've written to her to complain about her complete disregard for women in sport. I'd like to see how long she maintains this line when her female voters walk away. Worth your career Charlotte?

Clymene · 23/03/2022 06:46

Lazy transphobia Hmm

Charlotte Nichols tells us all to "pipe down". I'm convinced....
Rightsraptor · 23/03/2022 06:50

What a stupid thing for her to say. She's prepared to alienate voters in her UK constituency in order to support someone on a other continent. And just how is a 6'+ well-built young man beating women 'an incredible achievement'?

We need to use her 'just pipe down' against her - when she's knocking on doors, kissing babies whatever during the run up to the next general election she should be met with 'just pipe down' everywhere she goes.

RVN123 · 23/03/2022 06:57

It's the use of the term "pipe down" I think, that really angers me.
It's smacks of subjugation, submissiveness, rolling over to please men.

You know, like we've been trying to fight against for decades.

Pipe Down, be kind, shut up.
Ignore the red flags, ignore that these women are potentially being mistreated in their own changing rooms, ignore the vast biological advantages, ignore the complete and utter unfairness of it all.

Pipe down.
She should be totally ashamed of herself.

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FunnyTalks · 23/03/2022 07:04

Wow. Thick and nasty.

How the fuck did she become an MP?

CheekyMaw · 23/03/2022 07:06

@RVN123 same . Who does she think she is ? She sounds like a prefect . 🤬It is utter madness.

LemonSqueezy0 · 23/03/2022 07:11

I will write to her too, and KS /the LP too. Every single time. I want to make sure that comments like this are not allowed to slide by without registering my discontent.

I encourage everyone to do the same.

Hoardasurass · 23/03/2022 07:18

Yet another reason to despise Labour as they continue to throw women under the bus

crispmidnightpeace · 23/03/2022 07:22

@Aquafizzle

I've written to her to complain about her complete disregard for women in sport. I'd like to see how long she maintains this line when her female voters walk away. Worth your career Charlotte?
Could she be getting something better from the pharmaceutical giants who engineer the hype around trans surgeries?
Rightsraptor · 23/03/2022 07:38

If you read the rest of her comments you'll see she's one of those irritating people who like to tell us we're aiming at the wrong target, as in 'why don't you campaign for X instead of Y?' She thinks we should be fighting sexual harassment & sexism in swimming.

Charlotte: what do you think males entering female competitions is, if not sexism? And what is a penis in a women's changing room if not sexual harassment?

ChiefInspectorParker · 23/03/2022 07:40

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OhHolyJesus · 23/03/2022 07:45

Labour really don't want to be elected do they?

AlongCameBetsy · 23/03/2022 07:48

A democratically elected leader telling the populace to sit down and shut up? Awesome.

PronounssheRa · 23/03/2022 07:50

@FunnyTalks

Wow. Thick and nasty.

How the fuck did she become an MP?

Who knows, she seems awful

She distributed leaflets which pledged to deal with "Traveller incursions".

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/02/labour-destroy-local-election-leaflet-anti-travellers-pledge

On a flight to Gibraltar to commemorate remembrance day got so pissed she had to use a wheelchair to leave the airport. She blamed a mix of medication and alcohol. Whatever the case, massively unprofessional.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10188871/Three-MPs-drank-heavily-official-trip-meet-troops-Gibraltar.html

We really do have the most awful bunch of MPs.

GahAndTheBear · 23/03/2022 07:51

I’m entering all the Y2 races at the next primary school sports day. I’m going to tell everyone to pipe down and stop diminishing my amazing achievements (when I inevitably win) with their lazy ageism.

MidsomerMurmurs · 23/03/2022 08:28

On a flight to Gibraltar to commemorate remembrance day got so pissed she had to use a wheelchair to leave the airport

Oh right - I thought I remembered the name. Now I know why.

ChiefInspectorParker · 23/03/2022 08:28

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DameHelena · 23/03/2022 08:28

Just emailed my MP and will be interested to hear what she says. She's Labour, but a diehard Corbynista. I suspect she'll seize the chance to subtly put the boot in to Keir Starmer. Grin

I don't know anything about Nichols (save the bits and pieces I've just learned from this thread), but on the tweet itself, apart from its ill-informed starting position, it is not at all edifying, is it, telling women to 'pipe down’? Didn't Tory Cameron say something similar and get eviscerated for it?

NitroNine · 23/03/2022 08:29

Also, “lazy transphobia”?

It is lazy to sit there and applaud Thomas. It was lazy to let trans women into women’s sports. It is lazy to rely on testosterone as the measure to allow trans women to compete; & lazy to ignore recreational sport having had all boundaries dismantled.

It isn’t transphobic to want sport to be segregated by sex. And the work people are doing to try to ensure that girls’ & women’s sport continues to exist is anything but lazy.

In an ideal world Charlotte Nichols & all the other “ZOMG YOU TRANSPHOBES!” people would run laps while they reconsider this stance. Push-ups, sit-ups - let’s even bring in ballet punishments: silencing by (for example) petit allegro is a fine tradition. And then we can see how measurably differently men & women (of whatever gender identity) perform. If they really believe what they say, surely they’d jump at the chance to help with researching this claimed absence of difference in physical abilities between women & trans women? Doubtless those ranting on Twitter would be breaking down the doors of their local university’s Sports Science department were such a study to recruit.

In fact - why isn’t there any such study? It doesn’t need to be elite athletes, so it’s not a sample size problem. Participant names wouldn’t be published, there are no grounds to claim taking part would put an individual at risk. Covid has shown that such a study could very successfully run internationally, so refusing to participate because it was assumed to be “too white” (which would be foolish, given research must begin somewhere*) would be a non-starter. And as a bonus, we might even get some more research into exercise & the female body (crazy thought, I know, but I’m dreaming big this morning) simply by virtue of needing to have comparative data.

This - seriously & genuinely - is research to benefit trans people, but it isn’t being done. Trans men taking testosterone gain a very different muscle-building capacity: they need information about how best to use that safely, and studies to be looking at & for long-term implications. Exactly which weight-bearing exercise will be best for trans women and which for trans men plus what sort of regime for bone protection best suits each group needs researching given the heightened but non-identical osteoporosis risks.

  • I can’t imagine that a study with a majority of ethnic minority subjects/participants would be found acceptable either, mind you: I’ve seen people argue that black people should never be asked to be involved in medical research but medical research should never be done without them - & of course refuse to explain how that would actually be able to work. Not parody accounts, not being sarcastic, just rolling through in their luxury belief Zorb-of-Privilege where they always hold the talking stick & once they’ve come up with the wondrous solutions to the world’s problems it’s up to the little people to figure out how to actually enact them. Can’t expect them to do ALL the work - & in fact, do feel free to pay them for all this emotional labour Hmm
FromOurHatsToOurFeet · 23/03/2022 08:34

Is #pipedown the new #bekind? I think i prefer it - it's certainly more honest about what people really mean.

AlisonDonut · 23/03/2022 08:35

I have asked her who it was she was competing against - I'm guessing 'females' but she seems unable to respond.

Rummikub · 23/03/2022 08:37

Being debated on gmb now

DameHelena · 23/03/2022 08:37

@FromOurHatsToOurFeet

Is #pipedown the new #bekind? I think i prefer it - it's certainly more honest about what people really mean.
That's a fair point.
IncompleteSenten · 23/03/2022 08:37

What incredible achievement is that then?

The incredible achievement of winning only because you have a massive physical advantage over the others?

Yeah, achievement isn't the way I'd describe it tbh.

I'd be more likely to consider it someone who was tired of coming second at best.