DD says her classmates are sick of gender indoctrination

[LittleWhingingWoman]

DD is at high school where they have had their fifth gender training so far this year. Nothing on violence against girls and women - nothing on race - nothing on disability - it's ALL gender religion being taught.

Anyway she says apart from a couple of attention seeking middle class white girls who talk incessantly about gender - the rest of her class are becoming sick of it. The boys in particular are fed up of hearing about it and it's becoming a subject that is getting eyerolls as soon as it's mentioned. There are children like herself who have various disabilities and who come from mixed race families who in particular are feeling that only one kind of diversity is ever discussed and that the kids who are attracted to it are ones who would never be regarded as special if they they weren't identifying into it.

I suppose there is hope in knowing that even with the constant indoctrination, many kids really don't believe it. She says a group of girls police the other kids language and shriek "transphobia" at anyone who doesn't comply. However the mini inquisition (again white middle class girls) are now dreaded amongst the regular kids who are at school for you know... learning stuff like maths and science and biology etc.

Now he’s at college my DS says he’s realised that the kids who were self appointed pronoun police in high school, quick to scream transphobia, and all the gender questioning and non binary kids who changed their pronouns so often you couldn’t keep up with them - were just all really fucking hard work to be around, and now everyone tries their best to avoid spending time with them.

However, many of her more vulnerable friends who are autistic are attracted to the gender religion - egged on by social media accounts run by adults - she says the mental health of these children is slipping downhill as they obsess about their "wrong bodies" as the cause for their autism.

It's interesting that friends who are physically disabled are not identifying as able bodied.

As this religion is exposed and starts to fall away - most kids will just adjust and forget about it - with the vocal Crucible girls embarrassed and distancing themselves. However the victims - the ones who were forced by adults to take the medical route, and who later regret it will become the scar on the UK.

Unforgivable really.
Will teachers be held accountable?

@ZaraSizeMedium

Now he’s at college my DS says he’s realised that the kids who were self appointed pronoun police in high school, quick to scream transphobia, and all the gender questioning and non binary kids who changed their pronouns so often you couldn’t keep up with them - were just all really fucking hard work to be around, and now everyone tries their best to avoid spending time with them.

There was one on a work project my nephew was recently on - a lot of loud screeching about pronouns whilst everyone else was just trying to get on with working. You could see how fed up the team were.

That's a bloody relief

DS2 says his year group is the same (they're year 10). They're all thoroughly sick of it and think its mainly attention seeking.

@User76745333

DS2 says his year group is the same (they're year 10). They're all thoroughly sick of it and think its mainly attention seeking.

It absolutely is. It's actually a shame for those (very few) kids who are in this category. The majority are just doing it for attention and to be relevant on their instagram accounts.

OP "with the vocal Crucible girls embarrassed and distancing themselves"

Sadly, they will just move on to the next thing and continue to annoy the crap out of everyone.

OP "with the vocal Crucible girls embarrassed and distancing themselves"

Sadly, they will just move on to the next thing and continue to annoy the crap out of everyone.

This gives me hope. My 14yo is still captured as it were, although she’s never been militant, she just believes what others say.

She is at least realising that being trans doesn’t automatically mean you’re an amazing person - all the falling out and bitchiness incidents have involved the kids who need constant attention for their super special gender identity

This is really good to hear. The truth is most people have logical reasoning capacity and an understanding of bullying behaviour from a pretty young age. The longer this goes on and the harder it pushes, the more people will see it's bullshit, and kids are especially quick to move away from a trend once it's over.

the kids who were self appointed pronoun police in high school, quick to scream transphobia, and all the gender questioning and non binary kids who changed their pronouns so often you couldn’t keep up with them - were just all really fucking hard work to be around, and now everyone tries their best to avoid spending time with them.

I think this is a really important point and one of the things that muddies the waters re "transphobia". Trans-identifying people are not all hard work at all. Plenty of them are reasonable and respectful. But trans ideology, the kind that insists on forcing other people to play along, attracts a lot of unpleasant narcissistic types who see an opportunity to be special and to control others. It ends up with people wanting to avoid anyone who buys into it because they are so likely to be a PITA – not because of transphobia, but because people are fed up with being told what to do and dealing with drama.

I saw a video clip where someone was complaining about transphobia because someone had turned them down as a flatmate on the basis of "not wanting the drama". Too right they didn't. Not because of transphobia, but because they don't want to spend every waking moment being pronoun-policed and preached at.

As a parent have you thought about asking why the school is ignoring the needs and rights of all the other groups?
If I was that parent (and I am) I'd be asking for details of the amount of time (staff and student) and money the school has spent providing training for "gender and then for all of the protected characteristics, especially race, disability and sex?

I'd raise the issue of bullying and ask how the school are addressing the examples you describe?
I'd probably share this from Transgender Trend detailing the psychological harm being done to teenagers when adults unthinkingly enable social transitioning:
www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

And I'd send them some of the handouts from Safe Schools Alliance about safeguarding :
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

We're all going to have to be that parent until this gaslighting of children is rolled back.

@MoonOnASpoon

This is really good to hear. The truth is most people have logical reasoning capacity and an understanding of bullying behaviour from a pretty young age. The longer this goes on and the harder it pushes, the more people will see it's bullshit, and kids are especially quick to move away from a trend once it's over.

the kids who were self appointed pronoun police in high school, quick to scream transphobia, and all the gender questioning and non binary kids who changed their pronouns so often you couldn’t keep up with them - were just all really fucking hard work to be around, and now everyone tries their best to avoid spending time with them.

I think this is a really important point and one of the things that muddies the waters re "transphobia". Trans-identifying people are not all hard work at all. Plenty of them are reasonable and respectful. But trans ideology, the kind that insists on forcing other people to play along, attracts a lot of unpleasant narcissistic types who see an opportunity to be special and to control others. It ends up with people wanting to avoid anyone who buys into it because they are so likely to be a PITA – not because of transphobia, but because people are fed up with being told what to do and dealing with drama.

I saw a video clip where someone was complaining about transphobia because someone had turned them down as a flatmate on the basis of "not wanting the drama". Too right they didn't. Not because of transphobia, but because they don't want to spend every waking moment being pronoun-policed and preached at.

Yep and these unpleasant young people are not being told no - life becomes endlessly disappointing to them as they find more and more people avoid them or are only nice to them out of politeness.

You'd think that trans people would want to distance themselves from the TRA because it's going to do no good for the public perception of their cause.

If it wasn't about trans it would be about something else however the magical pronoun party is the only thing that white girls can identify into without getting called out on it.

My teens say them and most of their friends are gender critical but are actually aware that they can't express these views at school.

Lack of free speech is normalised for them.

Yes the TRA movement is losing support amongst neurotypical young people and has been for a long time.

@felulageller

My teens say them and most of their friends are gender critical but are actually aware that they can't express these views at school.

Lack of free speech is normalised for them.

That’s awful, isn’t it, that they can’t speak freely and give their own equally valid opinions

I also get the impression that the “trans” kids are viewed as self absorbed and to be avoided. Many teens see through this nonsense, thank goodness.

@MoonOnASpoon

This is really good to hear. The truth is most people have logical reasoning capacity and an understanding of bullying behaviour from a pretty young age. The longer this goes on and the harder it pushes, the more people will see it's bullshit, and kids are especially quick to move away from a trend once it's over.

the kids who were self appointed pronoun police in high school, quick to scream transphobia, and all the gender questioning and non binary kids who changed their pronouns so often you couldn’t keep up with them - were just all really fucking hard work to be around, and now everyone tries their best to avoid spending time with them.

I think this is a really important point and one of the things that muddies the waters re "transphobia". Trans-identifying people are not all hard work at all. Plenty of them are reasonable and respectful. But trans ideology, the kind that insists on forcing other people to play along, attracts a lot of unpleasant narcissistic types who see an opportunity to be special and to control others. It ends up with people wanting to avoid anyone who buys into it because they are so likely to be a PITA – not because of transphobia, but because people are fed up with being told what to do and dealing with drama.

I saw a video clip where someone was complaining about transphobia because someone had turned them down as a flatmate on the basis of "not wanting the drama". Too right they didn't. Not because of transphobia, but because they don't want to spend every waking moment being pronoun-policed and preached at.

Absolutely this.

Is there any mileage in the students getting together and approaching the school management with their concerns that they are ignoring all the other protected characteristics in favour of just the one? Surely there are disabled students, students from ethnic minority, religious and faith groups, sexual orientation etc? What about diverse teaching about diversity?

I hope that teenagers are seeing through it - the damage that the trend has done is huge. I feel most annoyed with those teachers within schools and colleges who have jumped on this bandwagon and seen this as latest crusade - rather than just putting it down to a fad like one does with fashion. They have helped hype up students.Parents have found it hard to deal with - like most fads they hope it will pass but there is a difference between becoming a goth and wanting to change your gender/sex. I honestly think that many of those teachers have rather than uphold safeguarding have really ignored it

Have to say that I'm delighted to hear this. I have a friend whose DD is one of these middle class white girls. I've told her more than once she's ultimately just propping up white male privilege with her stance and they wouldn't stand up for her. She's terribly annoying and obnoxious, and is exactly the type to claim she is marginalised by the "pretty" or "popular" people. Seems to have been taught to ignore self awareness or culpability.

Now he’s at college my DS says he’s realised that the kids who were self appointed pronoun police in high school, quick to scream transphobia, and all the gender questioning and non binary kids who changed their pronouns so often you couldn’t keep up with them - were just all really fucking hard work to be around, and now everyone tries their best to avoid spending time with them

Christ yes. They remind me of the painfully right on and "alternative" (fashionably grungy) dressing individualists from 30 years ago at sixth form college, who formed their own little clique but were always falling out with one another. Everyone else kept well out of it.

I really hope this message is being spread.

My DD lost a few friends because she doesn't agree with the loss of women's rights. Most of her year group didn't care but there were 3/4 who shouted transphobia at everything.

This is purely anecdotal but all the kids in DDs school who follow this new religion are the outsiders, they are not popular, clever, sporty, pretty, funny kids.
They are the ones who sit on their own at lunch, who refuse to play sports, don't get involved in school activities, in a few cases the parents are working away, or work in high pressure jobs where the kids are often left on their own.

I can't help feeling it's all for attention, and those well balanced kids don't get sucked into it because they have plenty of other things keeping them occupied.

I’m my DS school year there are 2 non binary (males) who now have cool new names, oh yes and are also claiming to be polyamorous (I think one was caught cheating on his girlfriend) and the other has never been in a relationship. To be honest most of the boys either avoid or take the Mike because they know it’s BS.

@Masdintle

Is there any mileage in the students getting together and approaching the school management with their concerns that they are ignoring all the other protected characteristics in favour of just the one? Surely there are disabled students, students from ethnic minority, religious and faith groups, sexual orientation etc? What about diverse teaching about diversity?

Do this, but dont mention gender ideology at all. Don't turn it into a competition, and resist all attempts to let ideologists co-opt the new groups.

My children have had a similar experience but a bit older than yours. By sixth form it is only a small group that is still like that indeed all middle class white girls. A couple of the gay children have been targeted with being labelled transphobic as they don’t want to be paired up with opposite sex. I think it’s a year7-11 thing where girls who do not want to be sexualised label themselves as something different as the boys around them are being exposed to porn. And the gender stuff feeds into that as the boys daren’t mess with that. Once girls are older more comfortable with their sexuality they break away. It’s like a shield for many.

My dd’s former school was part of the stonewall champion programme. I wrote to them about the gender training video shown to dd during form time over lockdown stating it seemed biased and asked them if they were aware of the new (at the time) DfE governmental guidelines. The school said the video would be posted online for parents to see as I only saw the end of the first and all of the second half.

I didn’t get a satisfactory response but I was too ill to pursue it, however, the video never appeared and the school has now removed the Stonewall logo from its website. I imagine I wasn’t the only parent to query what was going on.

It is worth looking at the links posted upthread and contacting the school perhaps using one of the safe school alliance template letters citing that lessons have to be unbiased. Gender theory should be taught in a ‘some people think’ way.

As your dd is disabled, I think I’d add something about protected characteristics in the EA.