DD says her classmates are sick of gender indoctrination

[LittleWhingingWoman]

DD is at high school where they have had their fifth gender training so far this year. Nothing on violence against girls and women - nothing on race - nothing on disability - it's ALL gender religion being taught.

Anyway she says apart from a couple of attention seeking middle class white girls who talk incessantly about gender - the rest of her class are becoming sick of it. The boys in particular are fed up of hearing about it and it's becoming a subject that is getting eyerolls as soon as it's mentioned. There are children like herself who have various disabilities and who come from mixed race families who in particular are feeling that only one kind of diversity is ever discussed and that the kids who are attracted to it are ones who would never be regarded as special if they they weren't identifying into it.

I suppose there is hope in knowing that even with the constant indoctrination, many kids really don't believe it. She says a group of girls police the other kids language and shriek "transphobia" at anyone who doesn't comply. However the mini inquisition (again white middle class girls) are now dreaded amongst the regular kids who are at school for you know... learning stuff like maths and science and biology etc.

I can't help feeling it's all for attention, and those well balanced kids don't get sucked into it because they have plenty of other things keeping them occupied.

Yes and in many cases you can't really blame them. They're being told taking this step this makes them special and wonderful and praiseworthy and everyone has to do what they say, and that "trans" is the reason they haven't fitted in or have had social difficulties. Whether that's because they're just awkward and shy, have ASD, or are unpopular because they don't treat other people well, you can see how easy it would be to convince yourself, at a very suggestible age, that this must be the answer to all your problems.

Will teachers be held accountable?

Not individual teachers, no. They don’t have the power to unilaterally teach anything like this, it’s a decision taken at SLT level. You need to speak to a headteacher/deputy head/inclusion manager if you’re unhappy.

This approach contravenes the public sector equality duty.

You need to encourage good relations between those that share a protected characteristic and those that do not, and advance equality of opportunity between people who share a protected characteristic and those that do not.

Constantly inflating one characteristic above others and against those that do not share that characteristic would contravene these requirements.

I'm not sure the motivation is to be celebrated or thought special although it may be with some. It may just be wanting to be accepted because it's a fairly grim existence sitting alone at school or feeling like an outsider or thought weird for not being pretty/popular/sporty etc. These kids are being sold a community that doesn't have their best interests at heart but in a way who can blame them. It breaks my heart that ASD kids may see this as the answer. I'm sure I would have been vulnerable to this as a teenager. I didn't fit in, had massive sensory issues associated with puberty and felt desperately isolated. It's absolutely shameful this is being pushed on vulnerable kids.

OP what lesson are these sessions taught under?

I really do think you need to approach the head and ask when the sessions on all the other Diversity Characteristics are being taught.

They probably haven't even downloaded those lesson plans of course. Must get the old Stonewall points in.

My DD is nearly 19 and none of her friends buy it. There were reports about Gen Z rebelling about online porn, I don't think it's going to be long before they start collectively saying, "Hang on a minute, you don't need to change your body to be feminine/masculine, you can like anything with the body that you've got" and everyone says, "Oh, yeah, what a load of nonsense gender is," and the middle aged feminists among us roll our eyes and just say thank God for that, can we now get on with something more important. Just hope it happens soon.

It's encouraging to hear that many kids are starting to see the flaws in gender identity ideology.

There is a much wider societal influence of 'identity politics' that encourages and feeds this kind of phenomena.
There's a lot of social power and influence in 'progressive' circles if one claims to be part of an 'oppressed group', whether that's based on the colour of your skin or some other facet.

Being white is considered to be the lowest of the low in certain social and political circles, and girls / women seem very susceptible to guilt-tripping and self-loathing. It's amazing how much self-loathing there is about something that no one has any control over i.e. the colour of your skin. So if you're white and looking for social currency on the oppression totem pole, then gender identity nonsense is perfect precisely because it is completely subjective and unfalsifiable.

I don't blame children for being drawn to this kind of power game. It's intoxicating and exciting, even as it steadily harms your own mental health because of the kind of self-absorption required to sustain it. I have less patience for adults who engage in it though.

My Step Daughter left uni 2 years ago and she is a fully fledged TERF.

It is encouraging and we knew that they weren't buying it, they were being bullied into it. The more sunlight the more we can free the next generation from this ridicuous [I hate to say it] cult.

Ds16 is at 6th form college where there are numerous trans, non binary, gender neutral kids.

They are seen as attention seeking and narcissistic, and just generally a PIA.

OP “Crucible girls”

👌🏻 Keeping that.

What a relief to see that the popularity of this cult is waning, I really hope this is true.

@ChristmasTreeGorgeous

OP “Crucible girls”

👌🏻 Keeping that.</div></div>

I don't understand what 'Crucible girls' are. Anyone?

My teens are gender critical - also know to never mention it or enter a discussion. It’s so sad that free speech (& basic science) are being eroded in this way.

Witch hunting mob, I imagine.

I don't understand what 'Crucible girls' are. Anyone?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible

I wish parents would also get the memo. One the mums of a girl the same age as dd has been know to describe girls as vagina havers in the name of inclusion. ‘Nice middle class family’ etc.

@felulageller

My teens say them and most of their friends are gender critical but are actually aware that they can't express these views at school.

Lack of free speech is normalised for them.

Sad that they feel they can't express themselves but the fact that they're GC gives me great hope for the future.

It’s the kids of the mums on these parenting sites that say .. I send my son into nursery with a dress on he likes it.
Knowing full well they don’t 😅 or do it so people react.

This is what these kids have learnt have got them attention.

In that I DON’T mean the actual trans kids the very few because the ones going through this don’t act so attention seeking as them kids that behave like that.

In my kids secondary school there was a few of these kids and mainly boys actually, now all uj college and are still boys but have another drama to be dealing with, always something with them people, always will be till they get therapy.

@AlisonDonut, thanks for that!

@UserNow

*This is purely anecdotal but all the kids in DDs school who follow this new religion are the outsiders, they are not popular, clever, sporty, pretty, funny kids. They are the ones who sit on their own at lunch, who refuse to play sports, don't get involved in school activities, in a few cases the parents are working away, or work in high pressure jobs where the kids are often left on their own.*

@purpleboy

You sound like the shallowest 13 year old alive. 'Clever'? 'Pretty'? FFS. If I heard my kids talking this way about their classmates I'd be horrified. It's attitudes like this that make me understand why some kids are so vulnerable to this stuff.

Do you want to pretend these groups don't exist within schools? They certainly do, it's not nice at all but it's absolutely fact.

If you don't like my wording fair enough, but as a presumed adult you should be perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone without resorting to insults.

@EmmaH2022

OP "with the vocal Crucible girls embarrassed and distancing themselves"

Sadly, they will just move on to the next thing and continue to annoy the crap out of everyone.

With a bit of luck, at least the next thing might not threaten women's rights and safety.

@purpleboy

I really hope this message is being spread.

My DD lost a few friends because she doesn't agree with the loss of women's rights. Most of her year group didn't care but there were 3/4 who shouted transphobia at everything.

This is purely anecdotal but all the kids in DDs school who follow this new religion are the outsiders, they are not popular, clever, sporty, pretty, funny kids.
They are the ones who sit on their own at lunch, who refuse to play sports, don't get involved in school activities, in a few cases the parents are working away, or work in high pressure jobs where the kids are often left on their own.

I can't help feeling it's all for attention, and those well balanced kids don't get sucked into it because they have plenty of other things keeping them occupied.

TBF, when you describe them like this I feel for them. They sound like me as a teen; I was hopeless at sport, funny-looking (too tall, too lanky, big nose, etc etc), too clever (cleverness was not social capital as I went to a sink school that everyone was desperate to leave at 14). I was very lonely and unhappy. I didn't have any emotional support at home either. I could honestly have done with some 'attention' (attention-seeking is not something to criticise, IMO). I became a halfhearted goth and then a halfhearted grunger/slacker; looking back, I guess it was a quest for some sort of identity or meaning. I guess these kids are doing and feeling the same. The difference being that now, adults seem to be hijacking their problems to use them for whatever the fuck their ends are regarding gender and identity politics.

If you think it's bad at school, wait until they get to Uni - it's taken to a whole new level.

tend to think that it is early teens that get really caught up and confused. A lot of older teens do see it as kind of stupid and attention seeking.

But, at least among my kid's friends in that age, they still haven't really looked at it very analytically. I am not sure if that will come later, or what.

At the universities it seems less clear to me. I know there are plenty of kids who just avoid it and see it as drama. But there is a significant group that seem to want to take it even further and use it for really nasty power plays. It affects the whole place, the governance, policy, even the texts that get read and how they are taught.

My daughter is in y7 at secondary school, and whilst a couple of her group are fully bought into the whole gender agenda, the rest of them think it's a load of tiresome old shite. And also think that, as PPs have said, the majority of children who make a big deal about all of this are generally those who need to be centre of attention. Gives me a little bit of hope.