Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

[Snoodsy]

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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@HowamIalmost50

So what happened to the duty of candour which is now a statutory requirement of all HCP? Lying to patients is a breach of ethics and falls short of the standards of performance and ethics of the HCPC, & I would expect, the NMC! No wonder patients have no faith in the healthcare professions with this sort of gaslighting going on! Hope the woman involved is ok and she sues anyone she can!

It's fine for MoJ to instruct Prison Officers to gaslight women in prison.

It's fine for the NHS to have the culture that supports the gaslighting of women patients, even for such a matter as this. Despite the 6 values of the NHS Constitution. These values that must run through every NHS employee from estates to clinical and AHP to board members and they're enforced during recruitment and in performance evaluation.

There are six values that all staff – everyone from porters, physiotherapists, nurses, paramedics and gardeners to secretaries, consultants, healthcare scientists and phlebotomists – are expected to demonstrate:

working together for patients Patients come first in everything we do

respect and dignity We value every person – whether patient, their families or carers, or staff – as an individual, respect their aspirations and commitments in life, and seek to understand their priorities, needs, abilities and limits

commitment to quality of care We earn the trust placed in us by insisting on quality and striving to get the basics of quality of care – safety, effectiveness and patient experience right every time

compassion We ensure that compassion is central to the care we provide and respond with humanity and kindness to each person’s pain, distress, anxiety or need

improving lives We strive to improve health and wellbeing and people’s experiences of the NHS

everyone counts We maximise our resources for the benefit of the whole community, and make sure nobody is excluded, discriminated against or left behind

www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/working-health/working-nhs/nhs-constitution

And, Nolan. Where are Nolan Principles in all of this?

Who is responsible for Annex B, I wonder.

God almighty - a prime case of an organisation sticking their fingers in their ears and going la-la-la. ]

That poor woman (ie the victim) must think the world has gone nuts.

@Madhairday

This has just about broken me. I'm a frequent hospital patient and I know too well the sheer vulnerability of being in a hospital bed. Thinking about this poor woman, raped and then gaslighted, just sickens me to the absolute core.

Just can't do this anymore. I feel helpless. When will this end?

It will end when enough women get angry enough. It will end when enough decent, strong men with integrity have had their eyes opened. It will end when evil is defeated by good. I have no idea how long that will take.

In the meantime, don’t feel hopeless. Don’t be frightened.

Be angry.

The law on rape does NOT need to change. Trans rights advocates want it to include penetration with an object, which currently would be sexual assault. That way they can disingenuously obfuscate who the perpetrators are. They already claim that the 400+ rapes ascribed to women since 2014 could be 'joint endeavour' rapes where a woman assisted a man in the rape (but obviously the man has to do he actual act), despite the fact that the previous period (before self id) does not have a single case. Does anyone seriously believe that these 400+ rapes weren't committed by transwomen? Yet they brazenly do make this claim as there is no level these vile and disgusting people won't stoop for this ideology.
No. The law is clear and is very useful for showing exactly who is committing these crimes. Other countries should follow our example

This is MENTAL. How far is a this going to go?!! 😳

Worshipping the mighty penis is far more important than the rights, wellbeing and dignity of women yet again.

I too would protest this. To be raped while ill in hospital and then despite video evidence (and witnesses?) be told that it didn’t happen because there was no man there, is too much. Too much to endure for anyone.

It would have involved no changes in the law or no reaches in interpretation to apply the existing law to this case.

The actual issue here is that the gender identity ideology provides a framework that everyone has to accept without question, and the account by the victim didn't fit into that framework so everyone around had to shrug and say that they couldn't even understand what the victim was complaining about because her version was not compatible with reality as they understood it.

It goes to the heart of the gender identity ideology, and what we've seen in the Maya Forstater Employment Tribunal: material reality doesn't exist as such until it is called into reality by belief, but unfortunately for the victim, only some people's belief has this effect, and because her belief doesn't, then what she directly experienced had no meaning.

I agree the law does not need to change. Our law on rape is correct - and data arising from incidents of rape should (MUST) be reported accurately. Which is by the sex of the offender.

@ResisterRex

I agree the law does not need to change. Our law on rape is correct - and data arising from incidents of rape should (MUST) be reported accurately. Which is by the sex of the offender.

Absolutely.

What a peach this woman is.

twitter.com/helloitsell/status/1504561164654678019?s=20&t=qAQ1Q0bw5o7sWizLGGb6TQ

Thread aside, why does every other comment use the 'f' word? Is it really necessary? I find it really base.

Horrified to read this, but sadly not surprised. A number of staff in my Trust have been raising concerns about these policies for years. We've gone through a prolonged and bizarre whistleblowing process and despite it being abundantly clear that senior managers are uncomfortable with the policy, the process resulted in zilch because . . . Stonewall / the CQC have also been captured and refuse to differentiate between sex and gender.

I would really like to know the name of the hospital. If previous concerns have been raised and ignored at this hospital then this places the victim in a very strong legal position.

We need the courts to settle this, as it's clear that NHS, CQC and NHS England have all abdicated their responsibilities with regards to the safety of vulnerable women.

Sorry for caps. Bit cross. I hope I have read this correctly but "this (Section 1 [rape] and Section 5) ... ARE THE ONLY OFFENCES THAT CAN BE COMMITTED BY A MALE". See below from Sexual Offences Act 2003

10.Section 1 makes it an offence for a person (A) intentionally to penetrate with his penis the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) without that person’s consent if A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Subsection (2) provides that whether a belief in consent is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents. This and the offence in section 5 are the only offences that can only be committed by a male, because they relate to penile penetration. Subsection (3) provides that sections 75 and 76 apply to this offence. Sections 75 and 76 deal with evidential and conclusive presumptions about consent.

Can the grammar pedants and tone police give it a fucking rest, please? Not the place.

Yet women are told we are 'being transphobic' when we point out the safe guarding issues of the TWAW approach.

My heart goes out to the woman. And to the 'on the ground' staff who have had to watch a bad situation compounded by their own Hospital Trust (ironic word that).

@ResisterRex

I agree the law does not need to change. Our law on rape is correct - and data arising from incidents of rape should (MUST) be reported accurately. Which is by the sex of the offender.

Yes

And the sex of the offender must dictate which prison they go to.

This is absolutely shocking, how has this whole ideology got so far, and infiltrated everything!

Absolutely the law on rape needs to stay as it is.
I too am struck by both this thread and Maya’s tribunal thread appearing in Trending. Maybe as a result more people will begin to see through the gaslighting perpetrated by transactivists.

How many women are raped? How many bother to report? How many are not believed or no conclusive evidence found?

Also how many hospitals fail to report, especially if it's a lesser assault than actual rape?
All too easy to pressure a vulnerable and distressed woman, insisting that certain things "can't be done" or failing that just to lie

Never underestimate the power of diktat among such organisations, once a few committees have decided what the line's to be

JFC! I am raging beyond words.

Never underestimate the power of diktat among such organisations, once a few committees have decided what the line's to be

Dick-tat.

The people who facilitated this happening should be charged under the joint enterprise law. Might start making them think twice.

If trafficked women who are forced by pimps into finding other victims are charged under that law (and they have been) then the people who made sure this poor woman (and potentially others) was an open target for this hideous man should be charged too.

Speechless

I mean we all fucking said this would happen

Can't wait for the resident dickswingers to turn up on this thread to scold us about something.