Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

[Snoodsy]

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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However, anyone who chooses to use their male organ to perpetrate an unspeakable crime is - without any question at all - not a TW.

No true Scotsman? What do you think a "trans woman" is?

And also, they really aren’t, are they.

They can choose to present as one, they can identify as one as much as they like.

However they are not actually the opposite sex. Sex is biological fact, sex is immutable.

I can certainly see how administratively this was hidden as pp suggested. Because that male has now got a magic ‘f’ instead of a ‘m’.

This is a direct repercussion of this legal fiction.

However, as we saw on the other thread about Emma Nicholson’s debate, we have male barristers that seem to take the approach of ‘n+1’.
Prove it happened.
And even if it did it was just once.
Oh… again? Well still you cannot discriminate against a whole group because of two bad ones.

And so it goes.

Same old, same old.

FFS that poor woman!

Stonewall and the likes have a lots to answer for, I used to not really be bothered about sharing single sex space with a few transsexuals but now my stance has completed shifted. I'm now suspicious and distrustful because of all the awful things that have been done and said in the name of "being kind" to the T.

Yeah I don’t believe they get off that hook if they commit a crime! They are a TW committed a rape.

I can certainly see how administratively this was hidden as pp suggested. Because that male has now got a magic ‘f’ instead of a ‘m’.

This is a direct repercussion of this legal fiction.

It is.

@LizzieSiddal

HotSauceCommittee

I want us to find out which hospital it was and have loads of feminists demonstrating outside every day for forever. Maximum press attention and embarrassment. I want to shine a light on this.

Me too! This woman needs to know we all support her and the people and organisations who say TWAW must be made aware that it leads to dangerous bullshit like this!!

I'd travel across the country to demonstrate. Nice days out for feminists on a rota!

@Nnique

Yeah I don’t believe they get off that hook if they commit a crime! They are a TW committed a rape.

Going to which prison?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I can certainly see how administratively this was hidden as pp suggested. Because that male has now got a magic ‘f’ instead of a ‘m’.

This is a direct repercussion of this legal fiction.

It is.

Yes. And that fiction needs to end.

I want us to find out which hospital it was and have loads of feminists demonstrating outside every day for forever. Maximum press attention and embarrassment. I want to shine a light on this.
Actually I don't think it matters greatly what hospital it was. Mass demonstrations about this case are justified outside any hospital with the same policy.

@WellThatsMeScrewed a male one, naturally. A penis is a penis.

@WalrusSubmarine

I’m so fucking furious for this poor victim. How can anyone defend this. I hope they bring charges for obstructing the course of justice.

Could not agree with this more. The more you think about it, the worse it gets and the angrier you become. This is an utter, utter disgrace

@JanetheObscure

I am possibly more open to the idea that TWAW than most on this thread. However, anyone who chooses to use their male organ to perpetrate an unspeakable crime is - without any question at all - not a TW.

The same goes for TM who give birth.

Biological facts:

A transwoman is a man. Men can rape. Therefore, transwomen can be rapists.

Transmen are women. They can give birth.

The hospital may have to stay unknown in case the poor victim might become identifiable? That's the only reason I can think of.

Disgusting that it has come to this. Ofc it never happens, remember.

This is bloody awful and I think the hospital should be named. I can see no reason for the name of the hospital to be kept secret, there's no risk of identifying either party involved but it would enable women to make an informed choice about being admitted there in future.

Being raped is bad enough, but to be raped in a setting where someone is uniquely vulnerable and then to have those in control of that setting to deny the fact for a whole fucking year is adding to the poor woman's trauma.

This also needs more publicity. A lot of people are completely unaware that this shit is happening. My MIL, an intelligent and well-educated woman, was adamant that I must have misunderstood the law when the risk to women from self-ID and the GRA cropped up in a conversation. She only believed me when I sent her some links.

It's only my feminist friends (ie, all of them!) who are in any way aware that this is an issue. I think the media are afraid of raising for fear of incurring the wrath of the TRAs.

It's truly 'through the looking glass'. Utterly vile and disgusting what they did to this poor woman.

Between this, cheating Liar Thomas and the poor black schoolgirl who was humiliated by police I've utterly had it this week with institutional ingrained abuse of women and girls.

@lovelyweathertoday

People can be stupid and say that women can have penises.

We, however, are not stupid. Women do not have penises.

Amen.

This is sickening!! poor woman!!

Stating the obvious I know,

but Men’s rights always trump Women’s rights, even (and especially) when those men assert they are in fact women.

Women have been oppressed by men since time immemorial. You only have to remember how recently women have been allowed to vote, have property rights, been entitled to ‘equality’ 🙄 in the workplace and so on.

Same old, same old…

How does anyone who advocates for men like this live with themselves?

@GiveMeNovocain

That poor woman.I'm not sure how that hospital thought that they'd come out of this well by denying her lived experience. It's so wrong

By definition, an experience has to be lived to be experienced so why has this phrase suddenly started to be used?

The police should have ignored what the hospital said and listened only to the woman. The woman had been raped, it was up to the police to act on it immediately. Outrageous, disgusting and obscene. I despair of this world.

The police should have ignored what the hospital said and listened only to the woman. The woman had been raped, it was up to the police to act on it immediately.

I agree. This is on both the hospital and the police.

This has just about broken me. I'm a frequent hospital patient and I know too well the sheer vulnerability of being in a hospital bed. Thinking about this poor woman, raped and then gaslighted, just sickens me to the absolute core.

Just can't do this anymore. I feel helpless. When will this end?

Also, this entire series of events has shaken women’s confidence.

How many women are raped? How many bother you report? How many are not believed or no conclusive evidence found?

How many women have been told now by a nurse, someone they absolutely should trust, that ‘that person is not a male/man’? How many women were told/made to feel by hospital staff that they were bigots for asking questions?

And if another woman is ill, has poor vision, confused and now sees a woman who may present as ‘butch’ or has even taken ‘t’ for the cosmetic appeal (which we have been told is quite common now!), so is easily confused, that woman can have NO confidence that the hospital would not put a male in with them. They may have done decades ago. But not now.

And the repercussion of all this messaging is now ‘swallow your discomfort, your a bigot, your concerns don’t count anyway, you are a woman!’

I really do feel for medical staff on this. Imagine being told you have to treat women like this, knowing you are in fact, gaslighting them and increasing distress when those concerns expressed are reasonable. And if you don’t, you lose your job.

(I know, there are medical staff who fully support that action that some trusts have directed. And really they should be ashamed to do so)