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Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

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Snoodsy · 18/03/2022 02:06

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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DomesticatedZombie · 20/03/2022 19:22

'are steam trains racist' right now, hoping Baroness is on soon. Smile

DomesticatedZombie · 20/03/2022 19:27

Oh, it's Raquel Rosario Sanchez on just now ...

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 20/03/2022 19:30

It's good to hear RRS's voice.

I can see why they wanted to shut her up.

DomesticatedZombie · 20/03/2022 19:36

Yes. She's great. Lucid, calm and eloquent.

DomesticatedZombie · 20/03/2022 19:45

Two nurses & two teachers who had lost their jobs over refusing to agree that TWAW?

Shock
Mollyollydolly · 20/03/2022 19:49

God I love her. We're 'pig-headed' in the UK, thank God. She's so good and she emanates goodness as well.

DomesticatedZombie · 20/03/2022 19:51

She's brilliant. God, I'm glad she's on this.

Mollyollydolly · 20/03/2022 19:52

Baroness Nicolson that is, followed Rachael. I have the utmost admiration for Andrew Doyle, he's like a Jack Russell with a rat over all this nonsense. Simon Fanshawe up next. It's like the Oscars for non-believers. 90% of GB News is awful but 'Free Speech Nation' is a proper programme. I wish it was on a channel with a bigger platform. Upsets me that BBC, Ch4, Sky etc would never do this.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 20/03/2022 20:41

She's in her 80s, the Baroness, and tireless.

Amazing woman. She's spent decades working to improve lives of women and children.

I'd not like to be on the receiving end of one of her very polite emails, that's for sure. Total badass with impeccable manners.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2022 21:06

Just watched that Zombie and both of these women are brilliant. Both so very clear!

ScreamingBeans · 20/03/2022 22:34

#MeToo doesn't count if the rapist self-defines as a woman.

Sheesh.

DameHelena · 21/03/2022 10:22

Has this had any more large-scale news coverage, does anyone know? I haven't seen any. I wonder if it's because the police investigation is ongoing?
There are trans activists on SM saying that it's not in the media because it's not true/the Baroness has made it up/misled the Lords etc. I very much doubt that, but I do wish there was more public discussion about it.

twinklystar23 · 21/03/2022 10:28

Why is the hospital not being named? Apologies as only got to p5 of the thread so if the trust has been named please let me know!
However why the delay in naming it? Other high profile cases are, why not in this one?
Which police for e didnt carry this forward surely this is a matter in the public interest?

5zeds · 21/03/2022 10:52

It was in the Times

DameHelena · 21/03/2022 10:56

@5zeds

It was in the Times
Last week, I know, but I wondered if there'd been any new information or news coverage.
OldCrone · 21/03/2022 10:57

There are trans activists on SM saying that it's not in the media because it's not true/the Baroness has made it up/misled the Lords etc.

Are they also saying that Baroness Brinton made up her story about the other incident and that she misled the Lords? Because it seems that that story did turn out not to be true.

VelvetChairGirl · 21/03/2022 11:11

[quote DomesticatedZombie][/quote]
thank you, I dont watch GB news, I find it sad that the right wing are now the only ones talking sense.

DameHelena · 21/03/2022 11:12

@OldCrone

There are trans activists on SM saying that it's not in the media because it's not true/the Baroness has made it up/misled the Lords etc.

Are they also saying that Baroness Brinton made up her story about the other incident and that she misled the Lords? Because it seems that that story did turn out not to be true.

I don't think so. But it seems like ammo for the 'didn't happen, couldn't happen' argument, sadly. That's really why I'm curious about this new case.
5zeds · 21/03/2022 11:14

I think she very clearly stated this was one of several cases that had been brought to her attention.

OldCrone · 21/03/2022 12:18

I don't think so. But it seems like ammo for the 'didn't happen, couldn't happen' argument, sadly.

Why? It's more of an argument that it did happen. A woman was told that the person she thought was a man was a woman, and they convinced her that it must have been a woman. She is now sure that it was a man.

ScrollingLeaves · 21/03/2022 12:35

There were two separate HoL debates. Feb and last week.

These were outlined earlier in this thread I think ( or there was another on the same subject).

There are different cases being conflated here I think.

The one where the woman retracted that she had seen a male next to her in her hospital ward was used by one Baroness to argue proof of paranoia etc over trans women in hospitals.( In fact ppl on mumsnet say that since then that woman says she had not been mistaken she now realises - just gaslighted.)

The other, last week, reported by Baroness Nicholson, was of the woman who was raped in hospital but the hospital told the police (falsely) that no man had been in the ward.

DameHelena · 21/03/2022 12:48

@OldCrone

I don't think so. But it seems like ammo for the 'didn't happen, couldn't happen' argument, sadly.

Why? It's more of an argument that it did happen. A woman was told that the person she thought was a man was a woman, and they convinced her that it must have been a woman. She is now sure that it was a man.

Yes, I mean the second one, as laid out so clearly by ScrollingLeaves(thank you!)
Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/03/2022 12:53

Why? It's more of an argument that it did happen. A woman was told that the person she thought was a man was a woman, and they convinced her that it must have been a woman. She is now sure that it was a man.

I agree. If we are to believe this woman who says she saw a man in hospital then was convinced it wasn't a man and left Twitter, but now says she thinks she was right first time, it is exactly the kind of situation the Baroness is referring to.

Beowulfa · 21/03/2022 12:59

Anyone else minded of the New Years Eve mass sexual assaults on women in Cologne? Where the reaction was:

1 Disbelief of the women

2 Irritation that the accused were mainly men of North African origin, which was awfully inconvenient.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/03/2022 13:06

Yes. Gaby Hinsliff in the Guardian saying that the female victims were privileged because they had smartphones, and news output about it generally Angry