Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

[Snoodsy]

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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The glaring and hideous part that stands out to me on this is that the NHS have a Policy (and are enacting it) to bare faced lie to patients.

Why the hell should the NHS be in receipt of tax money from women when they do this, when they seemingly view women as so sub human and inferior that they don't deem their need for safety, privacy and dignity legitimate? Still happy to trouser the money they take in taxes from these inferior being though. Disgusting.

The idea that a hairstyle is "sufficient" to be treated as one sex or the other by everyone for your whole life.

A hairstyle.

This is what people are proposing we use to tell whether someone is part of the class of people that are statistically far more likely to attack someone than the other class.

Do they not hear themselves?

If this woman chooses to sue the trust, the NHS, the department of health, the health secretary, and frankly anyone else who has even had a passing involvement in this situation, then I for one will donate the crap out of her crowdfunder.

@PrelateChuckles

The idea that a hairstyle is "sufficient" to be treated as one sex or the other by everyone for your whole life.

A hairstyle.

This is what people are proposing we use to tell whether someone is part of the class of people that are statistically far more likely to attack someone than the other class.

Do they not hear themselves?

If we include male people into the class of women on the basis of a list of prescribed stereotypical, pre selected hairstyles, then logically we are going to have to exclude female people on the basis of their non compliance with said prescription.

The more you try and unpick it the sillier and more offensive it gets.

@anon666

I can't understand how the hospital managed to get in the way of the rape investigation anyway. Surely even if there were no officially "male" patients there could have been an intruder. The details of who the attacker was seems secondary to the fact that it took place.

Because it's the NHS and management always close ranks rather than admit that there are problems (sexual assault, medical malpractice, whatever) in their hospitals.

Cowards.

As I see women forget that we can advocate for own needs, I remembered this thread. 2020 and 2021 were really grim for women. This is not the time to remove women's protections in order to be kind to another group.

If we were arguing over the contents of a biscuit packet, men in general have 18 biscuits, women two. And women are being expected to hand over one of our two biscuits to a subset of male people. How about "cis" men ringfence part of their current 18 biscuit budget for the use of male transitioners, instead of demanding we share our two?

Give transitioned males their own protections, not ours.

We are not privileged.

thread from twitter

This has actually made me realise that libfems and fauxminists genuinely think they’re toppling patriarchy, while patriarchy thrives on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, while Covid has created what the UN calls a “shadow pandemic” of male violence against women…🧵

They think patriarchy is waning, while Covid has set women back years in terms of the labour and wage gaps—women have lost jobs they’re unlikely to get back, women were more likely to lose jobs in the first place, our financial independence gains as a class have been destroyed.

“Patriarchy is waning” while America’s Supreme Court is stacked against women for at least a decade, while Roe v Wade is slowly being overturned. While women as a sex class are erased in language—and therefore in thought—around the globe.

“Patriarchy is waning” while women are hypersexualised commodities across our screens, while teenage girls dance on tiktok for what I can only describe as the pedophilic enjoyment of adult men.

Patriarchy can only be seen to be waning if your perspective is that of gender and privilege. Yes, men can now be more gender nonconforming. But the average woman in France, Nigeria, Mexico? Today, she’s at least 3 times more likely to face domestic violence than she was in 2019.

No wonder modern fauxminism is failing—it refuses to see how badly we’re losing. You cannot solve a problem if you cannot see it. Worse yet, if you think you’re winning, while submitting to your oppressor.

twitter.com/cache_pas/status/1447300632352808965?t=DVPeP3mkBOSAZHZp_Jtkug&s=19

Remember Gilly on twitter who was in hospital - another patient on the womens ward was addressed by a male name by a visitor and Gilly feared it was a man? When she spoke out she was told that there was no man, and she was discharged the same day (it sounded too soon)? And she apologised and said she was mistaken after the hospital assured her that there was no male on the woman’s ward?

She has retracted her apology and confirmed that no, she still believes what she said and only retracted because the hospital was adamant.

@unwashedanddazed

mobile.twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1505149541036793858

"Fwiw....

The hospital story shared by Baroness Nicholson has resulted in somebody claiming to be the victim contacting me.

Tbh, I had a go at them, for going to a fucking transphobe and homophobe to weaponise it against my community that also has lots of survivors."

Joss Prior responding to a rape victim.

If you were a female survivor of rape why the fuck would you want any kind of interaction with Joss Prior of all people? He's an MRA and a liar and just like all other MRAs he believes that the worst thing about MVAW is women talking about it and making them look bad.

I smell 🐄 💩. Why would they?

Re hospitals, don't forget the shitshow around Clare Dimyon (who has an MBE for LGBT rights campaigning):

"A woman who asked for her NHS breast-screening to be carried out by a female-born clinician was pilloried as a transphobe by a hospital trust."

"Clare Dimyon, 54, who was raped as a teenager and is a lesbian, asked to be seen by a “natal female” when she went for a mammogram."

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2019/12/09/hospital-apologises-to-rape-victim-for-branding-her-request-for-same-sex-breast-screening-medic-as-transphobic/

@Tootsweets23

If this woman chooses to sue the trust, the NHS, the department of health, the health secretary, and frankly anyone else who has even had a passing involvement in this situation, then I for one will donate the crap out of her crowdfunder.

Likewise.

She has retracted her apology and confirmed that no, she still believes what she said and only retracted because the hospital was adamant.

I remember that. She was so distressed and upset, and even more so when she apologised and said she’d got it wrong. And of course TRAs on Twitter were horrible bullies about it.

It’s monstrous that the hospital were gaslighting her all along. I hope she’s in touch with Baroness Nicholson too, and adds her story to whatever dossier of evidence is being compiled.

@Tootsweets23

If this woman chooses to sue the trust, the NHS, the department of health, the health secretary, and frankly anyone else who has even had a passing involvement in this situation, then I for one will donate the crap out of her crowdfunder.

You won’t be alone in that. I’m sure many carrots could be found for this, some from my patch for certain.

I remember that. She was so distressed and upset, and even more so when she apologised and said she’d got it wrong. And of course TRAs on Twitter were horrible bullies about it.

Even on MN there were posters crowing about it.

I don't think that I have not seen one of those who did crown on this thread though. Perhaps the 'wording' that she used compared to the other victim's wording that the Baroness relayed is rather too similar to be ignored.

Joss probably hasn’t been contacted by the victim but it’s given Joss a delicious chance to say what they’d love to say to a woman who has experienced rape.

🎯

She has retracted her apology and confirmed that no, she still believes what she said and only retracted because the hospital was adamant.

Good for her.

@KittenKong

Remember Gilly on twitter who was in hospital - another patient on the womens ward was addressed by a male name by a visitor and Gilly feared it was a man? When she spoke out she was told that there was no man, and she was discharged the same day (it sounded too soon)? And she apologised and said she was mistaken after the hospital assured her that there was no male on the woman’s ward?

She has retracted her apology and confirmed that no, she still believes what she said and only retracted because the hospital was adamant.

Is this the incident that Baroness Brinton spoke about in the House of Lords last month? She said:

A woman, whom I will not name, was in hospital said the following on Twitter:

“This is incredibly hard to say, and I couldn’t feel more foolish, embarrassed, awkward and dumbfounded as I do now, but it’s been confirmed that the person I believed to be male on the hospital all female bay I was on, was … in fact, a female. This has been 100% verified … I have no words other than how on earth did I mistake a woman for a man? Delicately and with respect I say she was a very emasculated woman and I’m just totally stunned right now at the mistake, my mistake… and am … mortified that I took to Twitter utterly convinced that the woman who looked and sounded like a male, turns out to be quite genuinely a female. I apologise for causing a storm and will take some time off here while I let it sink in. I cannot understand how I got it so wrong … I feel a complete idiot.”

hansard.parliament.uklords/2022-02-09/debates/25504E94-4F01-4282-8EC9-857BE6D94ECC/HealthAndCareBill#contribution-E1DC1451-FBD6-4D9A-A83E-DEAE2BAFBE61

Yea that’s the case. Gilly felt hoodwinked and coerced into ‘believing what the party told her’ and said she was mistaken and apologised.

God that must have tasted like ashes when she realised that no, she was right and the hospital was lying.

@Tootsweets23

If this woman chooses to sue the trust, the NHS, the department of health, the health secretary, and frankly anyone else who has even had a passing involvement in this situation, then I for one will donate the crap out of her crowdfunder.

Yep, I'll do the same.

From the Brighton and Hove Hispital trust mentioned and linked earlier:

“However, it is not possible to guarantee to any patient that they will only be treated by a clinician assigned to a specific gender at birth and, as an organisation that prides itself on our commitment to diversity and inclusion, nor would we wish to do so.”

What can anyone do when a hospital uses this sort of ridiculous language which has no basis in reality?

No one is assigned to anything at birth.

At birth no one is a gender, they are a sex

Inclusion of a man ( trans woman) in health care settings where a woman has to be naked means the EXCLUSION of any traumatised woman or woman of certain religions.

The law states rape can only be committed by a man or transwo-man with genitalia because it is defined as "penetration by penis"

We dont have self ID here, this shouldn't happen. Single sex are female born only, by a few laws. Other countries, yep heard alsorts like rape shelters closed down because they cant say no to a trans person, so no natural born woman wants to attend cos scared & this happened in uk prison

I am muddled here. Please would someone explain. Was Gilly not muddled? How do we know? Also in the Hansard, Lady Britton says that in the case Baroness Nicholson brought up ( this thread) the rapist was ‘a man not a transwoman’ What is that about? - as wasn’t the fact that the hospital had said there had been no men on the ward, down to the man having been classed as a woman?

To think hospital took a year to admit it! Where were the police cctv is quick enough to view! I hope this poor lady sues the hospital.

Disgusting is breaking so many laws made to safeguard females. Sex discrimination law, equality law - which specifically says there should be "single sex safe spaces eg toilets channging rooms sports wards... to protect womens safety and dignity... "

In equality law gender only mentioned for someone whose actually undergoing grc, where it states "seperate facilities should be provided" seperate is not womens. Seperate also protects trans from men. Self ID is illegal in this country but nhs & many places are implimenting it as if its here. Im reading of more and more rapes by men self ID with caption in news says "woman or transwoman rapes", this misrepresents transwomen and women. On sentencing, judge says man is faking being trans, manipulative, deceiver. (Under english law (& common sence) only a male with male bits can commit rape.)

Email to MP sent. He's Labour so I don't know how much difference it will make but at least he can't claim his constituents aren't concerned about this.

Excellent point, ive been saying all along mixed toilets changing rooms wards etc exclude ladies of certain races and religions. These women have enough to cope with in terms of racial prejudice in general, without this. Meant to be place of safety, cos heres the thing, whenever ive been in hospital ive been on painkillers that put me to sleep, in agony, so a person is often vulnerable.