Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

[Snoodsy]

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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Let's keep in mind that even if Layla Moran or Mr Spock was on the door of every female space to check that the male person in question was absolutely not a physical threat to the females in the room about to be entered....?

• Some females will still immediately have to leave that space because they cannot access a mixed sex space. I thought this was supposed to be about inclusion? Inclusion applies to females too.

• This means that in fact the female people have lost access to any facility so that the male person can choose a preferred alternative from all the facilities. This is just plain sexist as all hell, isn't it? If not actually male supremacist. Why should meeting male people's preferred choice of service take precedent over female people's access to anything at all? This is unjustifiable, hence the whole lot of 'well it's the female's fault and she deserves to end up with nothing' that is the only defense.

• Many of the females not actually forced to leave the facility (in this case bloody hospital care and medical treatment are likely to experience high anxiety, stress and discomfort in a situation where they are already highly stressed, trying to recover or cope with injury and illness, in a situation of acute indignity and vulnerability and unable to just run away or go somewhere they feel safer . How inhuman do you have to be to think that's a justifiable cost for one happy male having their preferred choice to be in the room with these non consenting females?

• We're now at the point where one woman has been raped as a result of this sexist insanity, and the Baroness is mentioning six or seven others . We have women raped in female mental health wards by male patients who identified their way in - Karen White accounted for one of them, and left the victim so badly injured she may never be able to have children. We have women raped in prisons by male prisoners, some of whom are convicted sex offenders (and considering rape is practically decriminalised please reflect on the severity and repetition of sexual offending and the degree of harm caused to end in a prison sentence of this type) because the male's right to access those females was the only consideration that mattered.

This is insane

Enough. It's done. It's over. No more of this.

Male people who do not want to be on men's wards need to sort out better inclusion and diversity in male provision. Women and their facilities are not a resource for males.

For those saying that the Baroness is not telling the truth/misleading theHoL - I assume that you’ve raised your concerns via appropriate channels. Or are you only willing to state your views on an anonymous forum?

mobile.twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1505149541036793858

"Fwiw....

The hospital story shared by Baroness Nicholson has resulted in somebody claiming to be the victim contacting me.

Tbh, I had a go at them, for going to a fucking transphobe and homophobe to weaponise it against my community that also has lots of survivors."

Joss Prior responding to a rape victim.

This scandal should be all over mainstream media, but of course it isn't. Half the population, half the taxpayers, all the mothers and daughters of this country, are being so badly let down it's unreal. The BBC, as the national broadcaster, should be sued, for their bias against women and girls. It might never have got this bad without their complicity. And don't get me started on their grooming of children into this fucked up ideology, which only serves to benefit men and the medical industry.

Ah the right side of history

I call complete and utter BS. Why on earth would a rape victim contact prior? How would they even know who prior is? I mean their not exactly well known despite what they might think

Years ago the “transvestites” in a major European city were a tourist sight. It amazed me that they retained their male paraphernalia which they showed to passing trade, as well as having massive boob jobs. They were all South American.

But the bottom line (pun intended) was that they were prostitutes . Of course any sex worker - woman/rent boy - is very vulnerable to attack and murder. Transwomen aren’t in their own special category here, with “regular” prostitutes doing just fine. It is a dangerous job for anyone, and South America is a violent place in comparison with Europe.

I wonder how many murders of females , prostitutes or otherwise, there are in Brazil? Hmmm?

And how dare TRAs claim to feel like women, when they do blatantly could not give one shit about us.

I sincerely hope the victim hasn't contacted Prior. She has no need to prove herself to anyone. And no good at all can come from engaging with such a cruel person.

@unwashedanddazed

I sincerely hope the victim hasn't contacted Prior. She has no need to prove herself to anyone. And no good at all can come from engaging with such a cruel person.

It's an unaccountably action for someone to have contacted JP on this matter.

How very punctilious of JP not to give screenshots so I will assign some recognition of the delicacy involved there although I'm surprised at some aspects of this convenient narrative.

@unwashedanddazed

mobile.twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1505149541036793858

"Fwiw....

The hospital story shared by Baroness Nicholson has resulted in somebody claiming to be the victim contacting me.

Tbh, I had a go at them, for going to a fucking transphobe and homophobe to weaponise it against my community that also has lots of survivors."

Joss Prior responding to a rape victim.

Helpful to evidence that (as usual) women aren't making this stuff up, this is exactly the attitude they're describing.

In the sane year this event happend 2021.
This was also the highest number of murdered (375) trans women
And yet I don't hear anything on the news or in the house of lords

Why on earth would the House of Lords give time to this?

There have been more people murdered by trans women in the UK than murders of trans women. Obviously all murder is wrong but trans women are not facing "the very exact same issues from misogyny as all of us"

unherd.com/2022/01/the-truth-about-trans-murders/

Joss Prior's Twitter says "pleasant to a fault" 🤔

Not very pleasant to brand a rape victim transphobic and homophobic for wanting justice and to prevent it happening to other women now is it.

The hospital story shared by Baroness Nicholson has resulted in somebody claiming to be the victim contacting me.

Of course. Right you are.

I doubt many people outside of MN, TRA Twitter or maybe Kiwi Farms would have any knowledge of Prior.

Their Twitter account is hilarious. They seem to spend most of the time ranting away to themselves - not much interaction from others. I call total BS that they’ve been contacted by the real victim. Still, good to see that they’re willing to put in black and white how they’d respond to a rape victim.

There have been more people murdered by trans women in the UK than murders of trans women. Obviously all murder is wrong but trans women are not facing the very exact same issues from misogyny as all of us

@Tristine care to address this point?

Yes, as other people have pointed out, this ideology results in people defending rapists, cheats, voyeurs, sex offenders, losers and weirdos.

Good of them to set out their stall so blatantly, so we can all see what they're trying to sell.

“Joss Prior🌈 Pleasant to a fault. 🌈
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And I will still die on that hill, if it turned out to be legit.

Because it has fuck all to do with trans rights, and everything to do with the perpetrator, and anyone who doesnt get that, can fuck off, Im not interested.”

What is has to do with is the perpetrator, a male with a penis, being in a women’s ward, where he would not have been had he not been classed as a woman.

This is all to do with demanding that women’s rights for safety and privacy should not to be trumped by trans rights.

There is in law no such thing as a hate crime against women, but Joss Prior’s tweets about the raped woman who purportedly wrote to him are an example of what it looks like.

As Ben Cooper pointed out in court yesterday, people who NAMALT in response to rape victims are MRAs.

Everyone knows it, it's not exactly a secret.

I don't want men in single sex spaces whether they've got a penis or not.

Quite.

Again, to use the sort of language one side likes so much, once a penis person, always a penis person.

Very odd lie for Prior to tell though. What would be the motivation? Is they planning to claim they’ve “proved” the victim to be lying?

Oh, right, they just wants attention. Never mind.

Joss probably hasn’t been contacted by the victim but it’s given Joss a delicious chance to say what they’d love to say to a woman who has experienced rape.

Slow hand clap.

@Datun

As Ben Cooper pointed out in court yesterday, people who NAMALT in response to rape victims are MRAs.

Everyone knows it, it's not exactly a secret.

The exact moment I stopped giving Mark Plant any consideration at all. I'd been uneasy about his casual sideswipes at MF and realised that he possibly thought this was OK as a defence of CGD but the moment he came out with MRA battle colours…

Plant merits no further consideration.

NB: was it MP or MA who affected to disdain Prof Stock's competence with statistics?

@ScrollingLeaves

NB Lord Etherton points out that for a man to be treated as a woman (including, as we have seen on this thread, being allowed on a women’s ward) “It will be sufficient, for example, if they had adopted attributes of a different sex, such as name, dress or hair, in their intended process of transition”

What has it come to that attributes of a different sex such as hair style. dress or hair legally trump and cancel the actual attributes pertaining to sex?

I'd love to see their chart of acceptable hairstyles etc.