Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

[Snoodsy]

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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@TeaKlaxon in the example of my hospital you wouldn't have to name the ward, there is only one female ward in the hospital. Again, I am not saying that this situation is the same, just that there may well be very good confidentiality reasons for not naming the hospital. You have in your mind some giant general hospital with tens of thousands of patients, we have no idea if the hospital involved is like that or more like my hospital...

There's only one person owning themselves here. Showing up that some people really don't support women and girls.

And banging on endlessly in a disingenuous way about things that it's very clear they have zero understanding or knowledge about.

I'm finding somebody's faux-disbelief very educational, I must say.

I suggest a cessation of engagement with the derailer now. They're just repeating themselves anyway.

You can't see it any more because the first posts accusing Baroness Nicholson of lying have been deleted, but one said something like "I doubt she's stupid enough to make all of it up, but..."

Agree, scianel

I could cry with anger at the male, the hospital, the authorities and cry for the victim of all of the above. This world is truly mad. Where can a woman be safe?

[quote ScrollingLeaves]OP There has been another related thread on this, and it includes the Hansard report with Baroness Nicholson’s speech (where this rape was detailed). That Hansard link includes the other speeches too. Lord Etherton’s in particular is of note where he refusing to see a reason for amending annex B which tells hospital staff to lie about trans people on a ward.

This is the other thread in case anyone would like to read it. Fears over ‘flawed’ NHS single-sex wards review carried out by ‘trans advocate’ | Mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4506395-Fears-over-flawed-NHS-single-sex-wards-review-carried-out-by-trans-advocate[/quote]
Thank you so much, how could I have missed that? At least it’s getting a bit more traction now.

So now one must enquire if there is a penis around instead of a man??

@SleepingStandingUp

So now one must enquire if there is a penis around instead of a man??

But what could a woman do even if they could be told that if yes, there is a penis on the ward?

Ask for a penis-free ward?

@SleepingStandingUp

So now one must enquire if there is a penis around instead of a man??

They do like to escape their owners & run free in the wild...

Seemingly so @Dendrite.

At this rate yes @passlefast 🙄

@ScrollingLeaves

Excerpt from Baroness Nicholson’s speech in the House of Lords:

Of course, a number of colleagues in this House take their briefings from a lobby group called Stonewall. Stonewall has declared in its briefing for responses to this debate that any comments from me and others—the noble Lord, Lord Blencathra, for example—should be responded to by saying, “Blah, blah, blah”. I suggest that this is infinitely too serious for such a response.

WTF???!!! Stonewall is run by fucking children! How can anything they say be taken seriously? I guess they know they don’t even have to try anymore.

But the idea that she would not even name which hospital and which police force has failed in the way she claims is nonsensical. There is no logical reason not to do so.

I will give you a very good reason why she would not name either the hospital or the police force.

If the hospital is named, there is a very real possibility of civil unrest at the location. Likewise, if the police force is named, that force may find themselves subject to civil unrest at key locations, and it also may be very easy to work out which hospital is involved.

That you have failed to recognise how the public at large views sex offenders, and those that are perceived to protect them, is somewhat peculiar. The mob is a very real phenomenon, and the mob does not like sex offenders and views institutional cover-ups of such people in a very unfavourable light.

@TeaKlaxon

You are trying to pick on one possible missing word “ward” to doubt a statement , that is not even being made in a court of law.

Grasping at straws springs to mind.

@Torunette

But the idea that she would not even name which hospital and which police force has failed in the way she claims is nonsensical. There is no logical reason not to do so.

I will give you a very good reason why she would not name either the hospital or the police force.

If the hospital is named, there is a very real possibility of civil unrest at the location. Likewise, if the police force is named, that force may find themselves subject to civil unrest at key locations, and it also may be very easy to work out which hospital is involved.

That you have failed to recognise how the public at large views sex offenders, and those that are perceived to protect them, is somewhat peculiar. The mob is a very real phenomenon, and the mob does not like sex offenders and views institutional cover-ups of such people in a very unfavourable light.

Exactly . I would say it’s OBVIOUS why she has not given details .

No doubt they will be revealed if the case is investigated correctly.

It’s like some people don’t have any idea of real life and potential real-life consequences to actions...

Thread of women furiously angry and talking about how to take action about absolute outrage.

Now become a thread of pages of argument with one poster, with that useful discussion derailed and the thread less readable or accessible to other women who may drop by.

Getting distracted does not help women.

[quote KittyLeMew]@PrelateChuckles The Blah Blah Blah response is here, part of the Baroness full speech:

www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2022-03-16a.427.0&s=prison

“Of course, a number of colleagues in this House take their briefings from a lobby group called Stonewall. Stonewall has declared in its briefing for responses to this debate that any comments from me and others—the noble Lord, Lord Blencathra, for example—should be responded to by saying, “Blah, blah, blah”. I suggest that this is infinitely too serious for such a response.”[/quote]
Yes I understand it is referred to there, but I was asking where that came from - the 'briefing' she talks about. Can we see it anywhere?

Another one who hopes that in addition to the victim suing, there must be a chargeable offence here for the police to pursue. That angle should be chased as well if someone knows the law- both to hold the police accountable for doing their job (failing that as additional evidence of how the police force fail women repeatedly) and as a strong message to the nhs. They get sued all the time, criminal charges less often. Maybe it would make them think twice knowing their colleague x now has a criminal record.

That is absolutely shocking for that poor woman who was already traumatized but then to be gaslighted as if it never happened and all those who lied and said there was no male there should be prosecuted and serve time. This whole ridiculousness needs to stop now. If someone has a penis they are male and should be in male spaces, prisons, hospitals, refuges etc. Am also sick of reading about so called sex crimes that females committed, females with a penis they mean. Shocking how this is all allowed to happen, most of us do not care if you say you are male/female whatever but the issue is women want to feel safe in female only spaces. A simple thing like going to the loo now makes me weary as there can be trans women in there who have a penis. Surely if they really wanted to be female they would not have a penis. I hope this woman sues and she needs a public apology and some free counselling as she has been through so much.

Surely if they really wanted to be female they would not have a penis.

Even if they do not any longer have a penis, that would not make them female.

To summarise
A woman was raped on a hospital ward by another patient who claimed to be the same gender but was not the same sex as all the other patients on the ward.

When the police investigated the hospital claimed that the ward only contained women.

This was shown to be incorrect but it took a year to get to the bottom of things.

In the meantime a rape victim has had the their trauma magnified by gaslighting and falsehoods driven by the troublesome Annexe B and the misleading training that certain organisations favour.

The hospital was always legally permitted to disclose trans status even if that person had a GRC under s22(4) of the GRA 2004 for the purpose of investigation of a crime.

Some people don't seem to want us to talk about this case.

If this had happened to me in a hospital, and I'd told friends/family some of the details (that I'd been attacked, or something) I would've been sure to ask BN to not disclose the hospital in public in case anyone I know put two and two together and I started to get hounded. Info like that can leak out in a heartbeat, people get doxxed all the time.

Think of MN where people won't even say their DH's hobby is cycling in case they're recognised.

It's hardly weird that the person doesn't want the name of the hospital their acquaintances probably knew they attended being made public in relation to this.