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Hospital told police patient not raped because attacker transgender

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Snoodsy · 18/03/2022 02:06

A hospital told the police that a patient could not have been raped because her alleged attacker was trans, the House of Lords has heard.

The attack took place a year ago and the woman reported it but when officers contacted the hospital, which has not been named, they were told “that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened”.

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, who raised the issue during a debate on single-sex wards, continued: “They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers.

“None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:34

Much easier to gaslight a woman who is known to have mental health issues, unfortunately.

Like this woman https://www.lancasterguardian.co.uk/news/lancaster-mum-fear-men-locked-hospital-ward-transgender-patient-653048?amp

Rummikub · 18/03/2022 16:34

This is awful and doesn’t bear thinking about.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:35

Philippa Molloy, 42, said she was “genuinely, absolutely terrified” because she had suffered a relapse in her condition that made her irrationally terrified of men – including her own husband.
When she raised her concerns with hospital staff, however, she said she was not taken seriously and her medical notes implied that she was a “transphobic bigot”.

theDudesmummy · 18/03/2022 16:36

@TeaKlaxonTens of thousands of people pass through some hospitals, certainly. And some hospitals very much not. We have no idea what kind of hospital/ward we are talking about.

I have spent most of my NHS career working in a hospital which admits and discharges one or two people on average per ward each month, with sometimes no admissions or discharges for many months. It also has only one female ward, with a very small number of beds. If that hospital was identified as being the one, knowing the rough timeframe when this incident occurred, it would take five minutes for anyone who knew the woman to identify her. I am not saying that this would be the case, it very well may not be, just that you are making statements in the absence of any knowledge of the situation.

Rummikub · 18/03/2022 16:36

Ffs
Bastards

VestofAbsurdity · 18/03/2022 16:37

Hospitals see thousands or tens of thousands of people over the course of a year.

I can guarantee they would remember if one of those tens of thousands said someone on the ward they were on raped them, that would also go round the building like wildfire so go away with your no-one would be able to pin down who it was.

Now I really am off to bake a cake.

Barrawarra · 18/03/2022 16:37

Fucking hell. So awful. Poor woman. I am also not rating how I am seeing a fucking scotland census ad while reading this appalling story.

loislovesstewie · 18/03/2022 16:41

Perhaps the person concerned might have her own reasons for not telling others about what happened to her. So Police force A issue a statement saying that on a certain date at a ward in X Hospital a woman alleges she was raped. Before you know it some people put 2 and 2 together and work out who was raped. Now, believe it or not, rape victims have anonymity, and that might compromise her anonymity, furthermore not everyone wants all of their business a matter of general knowledge. (That happened to someone who lived near me who was raped in a public place. The details were so specific it was easy to ID her) So the hospital and :Police Force being named might well have the same result.
I'm sure you will disagree with that I have said, but honestly why are you so keen to know exact details? Do you have so little regard for her privacy?

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:41

@VestofAbsurdity

Hospitals see thousands or tens of thousands of people over the course of a year.

I can guarantee they would remember if one of those tens of thousands said someone on the ward they were on raped them, that would also go round the building like wildfire so go away with your no-one would be able to pin down who it was.

Now I really am off to bake a cake.

But in that case it wouldn't be naming the hospital that would cause the gossip to emerge, but rather that the rape had been reported at all. Which would still not be a reason for the Baroness not to name the hospital.

Hell, even if she didn't name the hospital, why is she not naming the police force?

loislovesstewie · 18/03/2022 16:45

And if it was a psychiatric unit, where I lived in the past just naming the hospital would ensure the woman was identified. So saying the attack took place at St James' hospital for example. Not the name clearly iyswim.

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:45

[quote theDudesmummy]@TeaKlaxonTens of thousands of people pass through some hospitals, certainly. And some hospitals very much not. We have no idea what kind of hospital/ward we are talking about.

I have spent most of my NHS career working in a hospital which admits and discharges one or two people on average per ward each month, with sometimes no admissions or discharges for many months. It also has only one female ward, with a very small number of beds. If that hospital was identified as being the one, knowing the rough timeframe when this incident occurred, it would take five minutes for anyone who knew the woman to identify her. I am not saying that this would be the case, it very well may not be, just that you are making statements in the absence of any knowledge of the situation.[/quote]
The crucial thing there is 'per ward'. I'm not suggesting specifying which ward she was in.

And even if you think naming the hospital would be identifying (I disagree) - what objection is there to naming the police force?

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:46

@loislovesstewie

Perhaps the person concerned might have her own reasons for not telling others about what happened to her. So Police force A issue a statement saying that on a certain date at a ward in X Hospital a woman alleges she was raped. Before you know it some people put 2 and 2 together and work out who was raped. Now, believe it or not, rape victims have anonymity, and that might compromise her anonymity, furthermore not everyone wants all of their business a matter of general knowledge. (That happened to someone who lived near me who was raped in a public place. The details were so specific it was easy to ID her) So the hospital and :Police Force being named might well have the same result. I'm sure you will disagree with that I have said, but honestly why are you so keen to know exact details? Do you have so little regard for her privacy?
I have regard for accuracy.

And unfortunately the Baroness has proven in the past that she doesn't.

loislovesstewie · 18/03/2022 16:46

Why the hell do you need to know????

loislovesstewie · 18/03/2022 16:47

Do you think the rest of us don't want accuracy then? Perhaps some of us don't need so many details about a woman who has been raped.

Nnique · 18/03/2022 16:48

Derailing...

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:49

@loislovesstewie

Why the hell do you need to know????
Because so far we have arguments for law reform driven solely by the account of a person who has an agenda and a track record of misrepresenting facts to further that agenda.

And it seems like she's very determined to ensure that pesky facts don't emerge here that might undermine her.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:50

solely by the account of a person who has an agenda

The irony klaxon is deafening, forget about the tea.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:50

We don't need a law reform, we need a policy reform.

loislovesstewie · 18/03/2022 16:50

I'm off to cake bake. I hope in time you are satisfied by the facts, but I doubt it.

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 16:50

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OvaHere · 18/03/2022 16:53

@loislovesstewie

I'm off to cake bake. I hope in time you are satisfied by the facts, but I doubt it.
Grin
RoseslnTheHospital · 18/03/2022 16:54

I hope as many people as possible write to their MPs about this, and that it isn't left to be swept under the carpet. I would like to have trust in our public bodies to generally do the right thing, but this and the case of Child Q this week has pretty much shown that to be impossible. Schools, the NHS, the police.... so much needs addressing in all these bodies.

WellThatsMeScrewed · 18/03/2022 16:54

@TeaKlaxon are you seeing the fact that women are genuinely scared of sharing wards with men?

Because that is what I am seeing here.

Alongside the fact that we are repeatedly told that we are not allowed that fear because it is discriminatory against trans women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2022 16:55

Well, I seem to be the only one not willing to take at face value the account of someone who:

Yes, I guess you are, it's just your uninformed speculation, and not very convincing, so I think it's time to move on.

TeaKlaxon · 18/03/2022 17:01

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Well, I seem to be the only one not willing to take at face value the account of someone who:

Yes, I guess you are, it's just your uninformed speculation, and not very convincing, so I think it's time to move on.

I know you might think that acknowledging that you have no interest in whether this story is accurate or not is some sort of own, but it’s really not.