Sir Bernard Jenkins standing up for women on IWD - and a bunch of female MPs failing to.

[ATeamAmy]

This has just popped up on my youtube feed. It is Sir Bernard Jenkin, in the commons on the International Women's Day debate, pushing back against self ID and advocating for women's need for single sex space. Anneliese Dodds has a beef with him when he refers to her performance the other day. Once again, the betrayal of women by several female MPs astonishes and depresses me. Thank you, Sir Bernard.

The racist expenses cheat Bernard Jenkin? Keeping it classy there guys!

He used the word coloured nearly 20 years ago. I think saying that makes him a racist now devalues the term.

I don't generally like his politics either but that doesn't mean I'm not happy he's raising an important issue on IWD. Is there something about his actual argument you didn't like @LizDoingTheCanCan?

The question was, "What is Labour's definition?" She couldn't give it and waffled. She's now trying to claim she gave a definitive answer when she did not. The entire exchange needs to be read. Why should the word and concept of "woman" require an analysis and knowledge of different legislation and different contexts, when it has a common definition that is understood by the vast majority of human beings, not to mention, 6 million years of human experience?

Nigel evans was found not guilty, and one of the alleged victims in the case actually said he shouldn't have been charged.

I accept he was found not guilty of that rape but other alledged victims of prior alledged assaults have not felt able to go to court. He's my MP and an aquaintence through a couple of different groups of friends. I'm not a fan.

I've written a thank you card, here are the details if anyone else would like to do the same:

House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA

Email: [email protected]

@Solosunrise

How much less likely is a man to be cancelled for speaking up though, do we think?

Anne Jenkin, his wife, has written about it too in the Telegraph.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/23/changed-mind-trans-self-identification/

Good thread here twitter.com/RadFemAlliance/status/1501944958063759363

@donquixotedelamancha

Here's round 2 between Jenkin and Dodds. Jenkin reading out the transcript from Woman's Hour.

In fairness, she did say in that clip that a woman is an adult female, she just skipped over it really quickly.

Ah, yes, and sort of dismissed it in the same breath, no?

Progress is being made - if Dodds is huffing and puffing to insist that she did say a woman is an adult human female then that's making progress after idiot Starmer's instructions that nobody should say only women have a cervix.

Thank you for all the links ATeamArmy. Thais debate is being had no matter what the men say.

Baroness Jenkin also speaks for Women's rights when sitting in the Lords.

Do you think it’s partly because women in these positions could be sacked, cancelled, trolled, etc if they are in anyway gender critical and disagree with trans ideology? I’m not making excuses by the way but men don’t seem to face the same scrutiny and vitriol.

"I am a woman, obviously" what do you think is so obvious, Anneliese

@donquixotedelamancha

Here's round 2 between Jenkin and Dodds. Jenkin reading out the transcript from Woman's Hour.

In fairness, she did say in that clip that a woman is an adult female, she just skipped over it really quickly.

But in the Woman's Hour segment, she actually said (If I heard her correctly - I made a note)

'Well, I have to say there are different definitions legally around what a woman actually is. If you look at the definition in within the EA and I think it just says someone who is adult and female, I think but then doesn't say how you define either of those things'

So she might be clear in her mind that she said adult and female (she did, by saying that definition was in the EA) but she certainly wasn't clear giving HER OWN DEFINITION and also implied that even with adult and female it was difficult because there weren't definitions of those two words.

Weasel words!

I was going to add that Baroness Jenkin is married to Sir Bernard.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4303917-Anne-Jenkins-Why-I-changed-my-mind-about-trans-self-identification

Danny Kruger is Prue Leith’s son.

It's come to something when women have to rely on the Tory Party to protect their rights

@LizDoingTheCanCan

The racist expenses cheat Bernard Jenkin? Keeping it classy there guys!

Oh do give over.

I know a devout leftie who has been a constituent of Bernard's for about 20 years, and he recently said to me that in fairness, at least he'd come out of the expenses scandal cleaner than many.

But bloody hell, I thought hell would freeze over before I applauded Bernard, and here I am, clapping and cheering.

Who was that risible fool of a woman who stood up and parroted the most vulnerable shit?

That phrase needs a Kemi - how are you defining vulnerable?

@VestofAbsurdity It was Wera Hobhouse.

@poshme

The person who intervened to say that trans are most vulnerable was Wera Hobhouse who is Lib Dem

oh what a surprise it was bound to be a lib dem or green spouting ill informed codswallop.

When I was a student back in the 90s I lived in Bernard Jenkin’s constituency. I answered the door once when he was canvassing & gave him a flea in his ear.

If I answered the door to him now I’d give him tea and cake.

Here's the whole thing:

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2022-03-10/debates/1C377E5F-9903-48CD-A036-1F1728D726B2/InternationalWomen%E2%80%99SDay

Nokes is one of the early speakers:
"Celebrate"
"Amazing"
"Rebellious"

Other quotes include:

Jenkin
"we, as legislators, must be clear and courageous about what a man is and what a woman is."

"It is a scientific fact that our biological sex is immutable. Professor Lord Winston said on the BBC’s “Question Time”:

“I will say this categorically—that you cannot change your sex. Your sex actually is there in every single cell in the body.”

The responsibility for clarity starts with us as legislators. We have to be clear about what words mean in our legislation—but, astonishingly, some of us are reluctant to be clear. A woman is an adult female human."

Kruger
"Just as great a concern is the biological males deciding in adulthood that they want access to women-only spaces. I echo the points made by my hon. Friends the Members for Harwich and North Essex (Sir Bernard Jenkin) and for Thurrock (Jackie Doyle-Price). I hope there is some value in a man saying that. I think that trans activism is a new form of misogyny. It involves the essential denial of reality. I think we need a legal definition of what a woman is. A woman is an adult female. It is a biological and immutable reality and it is time to recognise that in the law."

@Lifeinthelastlane

That was great. How can AD genuinely believe she did not fail to give a definition in that interview?

I wonder if she was trying to bank on the fact that Jenkins hasn't listened to her painful interview. Maybe she wasn't expecting the other chap to share her response in real time. She tried to salvage it a bit, but her ploy was found out good and proper.

Most bizarre that she then responded with 'I am a woman'. What is the context for that. Of course anyone who isn't lying can see she is, but by her own admittance, bit depends on context. Maybe in the right context the bench she is sitting on could be a woman, and not her.

@LizDoingTheCanCan

The racist expenses cheat Bernard Jenkin? Keeping it classy there guys!

You know what's really classy? Reporting an elected politician for being insufficiently respectful when she tweeted about the class of convicted rapists (in the UK, we distinguish between forced penetration of a woman or man with something that isn't a penis, or with a penis - same sentencing guidelines, different names for the offence) who identify as women.

She did not name any individual. She was insufficiently respectful, according to Crispin Blunt MP, towards a particular group of rapists. These rapists, who must, by dint of being rapists, have forced their erect members into a woman, man or child.

Classy.

When is he going to have a word with them for not being sufficiently respectful of other peope's bodies?

Thank you @DryHeave.

The racist expenses cheat Bernard Jenkin? Keeping it classy there guys!

Haven't we seen enough of purity spiralling yet? Really? I thought we had got over these hypocritical finger pointing posts.

This is an elected member of Parliament who has been re-elected by his constituency since that issue was publicised and resolved.

Shall we start listing all the spokespeople for inclusion and some of their backgrounds? It is really very enlightening and raise far more red flags than this issue. (Which was an issue and which was resolved.) I think there is a thread on it in fact for some of those currently facing prosecution or have been prosecuted just to start with. But there are many many others too.