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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Cass Review- Interim Report

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rogdmum · 10/03/2022 09:12

The Cass Review Interim Report has been released. 112 pages long and it’s such a bloody relief to read common sense.

cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-report/

There’s so much in it, but emphasis on taking a holistic approach with a great chart on page 57 showing the complex presentations in and complex pathways.

And social transitioning has been recognised as an active intervention!

“Social transition – this may not
be thought of as an intervention or treatment, because it is not something
that happens within health services. However, it is important to view it as an active intervention because it may have significant effects on the child or young person in terms of their psychological functioning. There are different views on the benefits versus the harms of early social transition. Whatever position one takes, it is important to acknowledge that it is not a neutral act, and better information is needed about outcomes.” Pages 62/63

So much in it. So much. And there’s more to come as the review continues to work on the issues.

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DERFDogmaExlusionary · 02/04/2022 22:20

BMJ response to the CASS review
(Published 01 April 2022)
Cite this as: BMJ 2022;377:o825

"Acknowledgments
We thank Professor Annelou de Vries for her helpful feedback"

Footnotes
Competing interests: We have read and understood BMJ policy on declaration of interests and declare the following interests: KCP is a member of the Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (and its research subcommittee), the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, and the editorial board of Transgender Health. MMT is a past president of the Australian Professional Association for Trans Health and a member of the World Professional Association for Trans Health. JW is a member of the Australian Professional Association for Trans Health.

www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o825.full

2Rebecca · 02/04/2022 23:42

3 Rapid responses to Cass's article on her interim report in the BMJ last month were supporting her. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o629/rapid-responses?fbclid=IwAR3dIkZW3DLPPvHdznNsYOC2bIXXYvHJC6-Szg94mRxsxUDD1TavTTGzo

NotBadConsidering · 02/04/2022 23:52

Hormonal treatment
In what was likely a disappointment to many, the interim report did not provide definitive advice on the use of puberty blockers and feminising or masculinising hormones. Instead, Cass advised that recommendations will be developed as the review’s research programme progresses. In particular, the report expresses the need for more long term data to assuage safety concerns regarding these hormonal interventions. Although additional data in this area are undoubtedly needed, the decision to delay recommendations pending more information on potential unknown side effects is problematic for several reasons.

Firstly, it ignores more than two decades of clinical experience in this area as well as existing evidence showing the benefits of these hormonal interventions on the mental health and quality of life of gender diverse young people.

No it doesn’t ignore this. It points out this this two decades has been done in an evidence-limited zone, with the purported evidence not being as good as it’s made out to be. None of the published evidence looks beyond a year. There is also published evidence that there is no psychological improvement from puberty blockers. This basically boils down to “we see kids who seem happy in our clinic, so it must work!” even though they have no idea how they go in their 20s.

Secondly, it will take many years to obtain these long term data.

But you just said there was two decades of clinical experience! Why weren’t you doing the proper studies during that time? And what’s wrong with it taking “many years” for something so significant?

Finally, Cass acknowledges that when there is no realistic prospect of filling evidence gaps in a timely way, “professional consensus should be developed on the correct way to proceed.” Such consensus already exists outside the UK. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Endocrine Society, and the World Professional Association for Transgender Health have all endorsed the use of these hormonal treatments in gender diverse young people,101112 but curiously these consensus based clinical guidelines and position statements receive little or no mention in the interim report.

Because quite sensibly, Cass has elected to approach from afresh, to look at it from a primary point of view. When this is done it’s clear the guidelines and recommendations from organisations with conflicts of interest are lacking in evidence.

Indeed, there is no evidence, as yet, that the Cass review has consulted beyond the UK. This inward looking focus may be a reflection of how England’s gender identity service has come to chart its own path in this field. For example, its current use of puberty blockers diverges considerably from international best practice. In particular, NHS England mandates that any gender diverse person under the age of 18 years who wishes to access oestrogen or testosterone must first receive at least 12 months of puberty suppression.13 However, many young people in this situation will already be in late puberty or have finished their pubertal development, by which time the main potential benefits of puberty suppression have been lost.11 Moreover, using puberty blockers in such individuals is more likely to induce unwanted menopausal symptoms such as fatigue and disturbed mood.14 For these reasons, puberty suppression outside the UK is typically reserved for gender diverse young people who are in early or middle puberty, when there is a physiological reason for prescribing blockers.

Acknowledgment that puberty blockers cause mood disturbance in older children, so say it’s better to give them younger. No acknowledgement of mood disturbance at this age though.

Another possible reason exists for the Cass review appearing to have neglected international consensus around hormone prescribing. While the interim report often mentions the need to “build consensus,” Cass seems keen to find a way forward that ensures “conceptual agreement” and “shared understanding” across all interested parties, including those who view gender diversity as inherently pathological. Compromise can be productive in many situations, but the assumption that the middle ground serves the best interests of gender diverse children and young people is a fallacy. Where polarised opinions exist in medicine—as is true in this case—it can be harmful to give equal credence to all viewpoints, particularly the more extreme or outlying views on either side. Hopefully Cass will keep this in mind when preparing her final report.

This final paragraph is remarkable. It’s essentially saying “don’t listen to the bigots, their concern is false”. Basically ignore the detransitioners, there is no middle ground, affirmative care is the only way.

These are Australian clinicians, totally enmeshed in the affirmative model. I think they are feeling extremely threatened by the likelihood that facts and stories from detransitioners will expose everything they’ve done.

I imagine Dr Cass will be in no way swayed from listening to everyone who needs to be listened to.

nolongersurprised · 03/04/2022 04:54

There was a very flattering Australian Story piece on Michelle Telfer last year. All about the amazing work she was doing with trans youth and how the treatment was life saving. No actually journalism.

In it though, she said that the criticism had been so fierce she’d had sleepless nights, from worry and that she had started seeing a psychiatrist.

My interpretation is that, at some level, she appreciates that destroying the endocrine systems, fertility and sexual function of children maybe isn’t in their long-term interests.

OldCrone · 03/04/2022 05:46

Cass seems keen to find a way forward that ensures “conceptual agreement” and “shared understanding” across all interested parties, including those who view gender diversity as inherently pathological.

This is odd. Aren't they the ones who are viewing gender diversity as pathological? They want to medicate these children. Why would they do that if they didn't view their condition as pathological?

TheCurrywurstPrion · 03/04/2022 07:20

I imagine Dr Cass will be in no way swayed from listening to everyone who needs to be listened to.

I get that impression as well, which is excellent news for all children in the UK who are being pushed towards this pathway.

I also liked the rapid response from the GP, advocating a common sense approach, based on knowing the family. I suspect that kind of family GP is sadly less common than it used to be.

DERFDogmaExlusionary · 03/04/2022 08:50

The nature of the BMJ response backs up and supports key findings in the Dr Cass review so far...

Tiphaine · 03/04/2022 11:19

@2Rebecca

3 Rapid responses to Cass's article on her interim report in the BMJ last month were supporting her. https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o629/rapid-responses?fbclid=IwAR3dIkZW3DLPPvHdznNsYOC2bIXXYvHJC6-Szg94mRxsxUDD1TavTTGzo

Thanks for sharing these. It's good to see such clear support.

Tiphaine · 03/04/2022 11:47

Indeed, there is no evidence, as yet, that the Cass review has consulted beyond the UK. This inward looking focus may be a reflection of how England’s gender identity service has come to chart its own path in this field. For example, its current use of puberty blockers diverges considerably from international best practice. In particular, NHS England mandates that any gender diverse person under the age of 18 years who wishes to access oestrogen or testosterone must first receive at least 12 months of puberty suppression.13 However, many young people in this situation will already be in late puberty or have finished their pubertal development, by which time the main potential benefits of puberty suppression have been lost.11 Moreover, using puberty blockers in such individuals is more likely to induce unwanted menopausal symptoms such as fatigue and disturbed mood.14 For these reasons, puberty suppression outside the UK is typically reserved for gender diverse young people who are in early or middle puberty, when there is a physiological reason for prescribing blockers.

I can't access the response posted above, so I've taken this paragraph from your post NotBadConsidering, thank you. Haven't Finland, Sweden, and France all recently decided that medicalisation is only to be done with caution? It's not only the UK who have reviewed the treatment models they offer to these patients, and it's not only the UK who has found the alleged 'professional consensus' of various American groups to be lacking in robustness and rigour.

MangyInseam · 03/04/2022 12:01

Yes, and not only that, they are ignoring the fact that the "consensus" they are speaking about only came to exist because of pressure pushing out any dissenters. Those researchers and clinicians still exist and don't agree with the "consensus" around treatment, they simply have been maligned and not allowed to participate in the medical community in their former role, even when they remain world leaders in that area of study.

DERFDogmaExlusionary · 03/04/2022 12:06

the "consensus" they are speaking about only came to exist because of pressure pushing out any dissenters

Yes ^

It's good to see Cass cutting through this. Responses from ideologues are meaningless and only support the review's findings

Rowlingfan · 25/06/2022 18:38

Excuse my posting on this older thread but I’m looking for information on when the Cass report might actually be published. I am really keen to push it under the noses of my employers…

Hoardasurass · 25/06/2022 22:04

@Rowlingfan we haven't been given an exact date only later this year

Rowlingfan · 26/06/2022 05:34

Thank you. I would like it to be soon but will just have to be patient.

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