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Please advise me re possible bullying by trans child

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BirdsAndBiscuits · 22/02/2022 17:26

My son is 14 . At primary school there were only 2 kids in his year group and the other kid was a menace (trying to be polite about it!). He is a bright kid, but violent and manipulative. School responded by trying all sort of special treatment, social workers took him on outings every week etc. His behaviour got worse as he learnt to manipulate his teachers and other adults. Eventually, we had to demand that our son was protected from him- at age 11 he was coming home covered in bite marks and bruises. Nothing was put in place for our son, but the other boy was given extra activities to distract him. Not helpful.

Once they went to secondary, it seemed to settle down. They were apart for most of their first year in secondary, which really helped. Then this year, the boy has changed his name to a mythical creature, wears false breasts under his jumper and insists that on the days of his choosing, he is now a girl. Son is a kind boy, and never intentionally mean, so he was just polite but stayed distant. The boy hasn't really made any friends and wants my son to spend lots of time with him. Son is polite but insists that he can't be forced to spend time with anyone. The boy tells the guidance teacher that my son is transphobic and is bullying him. He of course denies this, because it isn't true, but he also refused to say that he thinks Unicorn is really a girl now/sometimes.

Over the last few weeks, it has escalated. He tells teachers that my son hides his bag, calls him names and is generally nasty to him. There are always witnesses who say that he is making these accusations up, but the school is not listening to my son and always take the other boy's account as the true one. Today while he was waiting for another class, the guidance teacher pulled my son into a side room and asked a lot of very pointed questions about whether he had a problem with trans people, and why he was behaving so badly towards this other boy. Every time he tries to defend himself, it seems that he is dismissed and labelled as phobic.

My son has (mild-ish) SEN and we have fought so hard to get him extra help and support and we felt that he was doing much better than he had at primary school, and I'm so worried that this will escalate even further and end badly for him. We are in Scotland, which doesn't help. I'm trying to find a way round this without any reference to the boy being trans, because it's not really about that, but I can't seem to make it not about that. I do believe that my son hasn't been bullying the other boy (because it isn't in his nature and because he has a compulsion to confess every single thing he does wrong to me!), but I'm as sure as I can be that the other boy is using the trans issue as a stick to beat him with.

So far, my son has asked me not to speak to the guidance teacher(said he wants to save the nuclear option!), but I don't see me having a choice if this goes on. The trouble is, I don't know how to tackle this effectively without being dismissed as a transphobic Harpy and making it all worse.

Has anyone else dealt with this kind of situation? I genuinely don't know how to deal with this and it really seems like this kid is untouchable. (I asked if it was okay to post here and son is fine with it, also Unicorn isn't really the kid's new name).

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StrawberryLetter32 · 22/02/2022 19:33

Can the administrators please stop this person using the name "blablafishcakes"? This person is not Jane Harris whose Twitter name is @blablafishcakes, a long-established account.

allmywhat · 22/02/2022 19:41

"blahblahfishcakes" could easily be a generic randomly chosen username, it's an Internet meme dating back to before "meme" was a meme.

But "blablafishcakes" actually is pretty suspect. Jane Harris is the first Google result for that spelling. It's an odd coincidence.

Cailleach1 · 22/02/2022 19:45

If the issue is bullying at school, I don't think this is the best section to post on. There is a dedicated bullying section under the Education topic.

Cailleach1 · 22/02/2022 19:45

Maybe mumsnet should move it to 'bullying'.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/02/2022 19:48

@Cailleach1

Maybe mumsnet should move it to 'bullying'.
There's only one genre of thread that gets relocated to the correct topic Hmm ...
VirginMedium · 22/02/2022 19:50

@StrawberryLetter32...but this isn't Twitter. unless blahblahfishcakes is TM or copyrighted, you can't stop someone using it on MN

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/02/2022 19:53

[quote VirginMedium]@StrawberryLetter32...but this isn't Twitter. unless blahblahfishcakes is TM or copyrighted, you can't stop someone using it on MN[/quote]
You can if they are deliberately using it to establish their credentials.

StrawberryLetter32 · 22/02/2022 19:53

I want it to be noted that this poster is not Jane Harris.

VirginMedium · 22/02/2022 19:59

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine I mean maybe MN will choose to remove this post. but there is no compulsion to. for all you know JH took the Twitter name from MN. or it's just a coincidence. do you think something sinister is afoot?

WarriorN · 22/02/2022 20:03

Re biting - such incidents should have been recorded and should be kept on file for many years by a school in case they need to be referred to.

If needed I'm sure you could request that information is transferred to the secondary in order to support the historical aspect of thus situation.

Biting at that age is highly unusual and I'm surprised more wasn't done.

EatSleepReplete · 22/02/2022 20:03

I would ask the school why they are trying to force your son to spend time with a child who he doesn't get on with, surely friendships are two way.
I'd also remind them that as the other child has previously complained that your son has been the bully, I'd question why the other child is so eager to spend time with your son in the circumstances. Also, you don't want your son to be placed in a difficult position in the future, especially as it appears he is not being believed.
I'd also remind them that your son has SEN & that he is not being supported in this.

The issue of the other child being trans is largely irrelevant. The issue here is the bullying. Which appears to have been going on for a number of years. Being trans is not a free pass to behave badly. The school need to support the other child & help them develop better ways to deal with any difficult emotions they are having, without taking them out on their classmates.

I would also not entirely discount the possibility that your son has had more of a role in this than he's admitted. Whether he realises it or not. He's a child, their viewpoint is obviously very much one sided as they are still developing at that age.

Nikki078 · 22/02/2022 20:11

Is your son on staged intervenion due to SEN?

Nikki078 · 22/02/2022 20:14

If he's not, you may look at initiating level 1 and keeping the focus on your son's needs throughout. Get additional opinions, letters, recommendations if you have them.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 22/02/2022 20:22

Can't you just talk to the school about their history at primary school and your son's subsequent reservations about wanting to spend time with the boy without needing to bring the trans issue into it?

This.
If your son's being bullied, he's being bullied.
If he's being bullied by someone who is trans, that's got absolutely nothing to do with it.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 22/02/2022 20:27

Can the administrators please stop this person using the name "blablafishcakes"? This person is not Jane Harris whose Twitter name is @blablafishcakes, a long-established account

Confused You can use what username you like on here providing its not already taken? I mean going by that logic nobody is allowed to use any celebrity names or saying that they're so and so celebrity's wife, which I've definitely seen on here in various versions.
MrGHardy · 22/02/2022 20:27

"There are always witnesses who say that he is making these accusations up, but the school is not listening to my son and always take the other boy's account as the true one."

Speak to the head teacher and be very firm. Being polite won't get you anywhere with the woke and those pandering to the woke. And you need to bring up the history of violence this other child has inflicted on your son, demand they do something to protect him.

BirdsAndBiscuits · 22/02/2022 20:29

@StrawberryLetter32

Why are you using this user name? This is the user name of Jane Harris *@blablafishcakes* on Twitter.
I'm not on Twitter and I don't know who Jane Harris is. MN have offered to change my username on this thread and that seems reasonable since it seems to be causing stress.
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BirdsAndBiscuits · 22/02/2022 20:29

*They were apart for most of their first year in secondary, which really helped.

Was there some practical reason for this like different classes or form groups? Can that be reinstated?*

Lockdown, so no, probably not a good idea to repeat that!

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BirdsAndBiscuits · 22/02/2022 20:30

@Nikki078

Is your son on staged intervenion due to SEN?
No. There have never been any issues with his behaviour at school, and only the normal age-appropriate ones at home.
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BirdsAndBiscuits · 22/02/2022 20:33

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BirdsAndBiscuits · 22/02/2022 20:35

If your son's being bullied, he's being bullied.
If he's being bullied by someone who is trans, that's got absolutely nothing to do with it.

It does and it doesn't. Being trans isn't why he is doing this, but it's what he's using to get away with it.

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LivMumsnet · 22/02/2022 20:36

Hi all - we've now edited the OP's username, as agreed by the OP, to prevent further upset. Hope that helps but please do get in touch with us directly if you have further concerns.

Peace and love.

DomesticatedZombie · 22/02/2022 20:38

Do get over yourself. I don't have Twitter, I don't know/care who Jane Harris is and I chose this spelling because the version with "h's" was taken. My sister and I used to yell this at each other when we wanted to fight but would be overheard swearing.

OP, there is a history on this board of posters impersonating other people and then posting things purely to screenshot and share on Twitter. That's why your username raised eyebrows, I imagine.

BirdsAndBiscuits · 22/02/2022 20:39

@WarriorN

Re biting - such incidents should have been recorded and should be kept on file for many years by a school in case they need to be referred to.

If needed I'm sure you could request that information is transferred to the secondary in order to support the historical aspect of thus situation.

Biting at that age is highly unusual and I'm surprised more wasn't done.

So was I, but it's a school where there was very entrenched culture of ignoring bullying. One of my other sons was dismissed and our complaints were ignored until another child pushed him over and actually stamped on his head. Even then, the other child was just told he couldn't go on the next school trip. Unfortunately, there is only one primary and one secondary school in our area, so it's either that or nothing.
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hedgehogger1 · 22/02/2022 20:41

You need to get a meeting with the head of year about this bullying. It's not acceptable and your child needs to be protected