How does this help gay or gender-non-conforming children?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-60464528

How does two straight men dressing up as an over-sexualised parody of women help gay or GNC children? Or even gay or GNC boys? Because it certainly doesn't help gay or GNC girls.

A friend's ds is a primary school teacher. NQT (or whatever it's called now. Anyway, young.) For Mental Health Week recently he wore a different feminine item to school every day. A dress, or skirt, or make-up, or accessory. That is supportive for GNC boys. That is teaching them all tolerance and acceptance of self-expression. Not teaching them that the only alternative to gung ho masculinity is to mock women while hiding yourself within the caricature.

On reading the article, it gives an example.
A boy who is being bullied for wearing make up, can now see that it's OK to be yourself, wear what you like, and by bringing it into a mainstream telly slot will hopefully make bullies think twice /change perspective.

Straight white men in drag are the face of diversity now. Dontcha know

@EeeICouldRipATissue

On reading the article, it gives an example. A boy who is being bullied for wearing make up, can now see that it's OK to be yourself, wear what you like, and by bringing it into a mainstream telly slot will hopefully make bullies think twice /change perspective.

These are supportive examples of and for boys who want to express themselves in an unconventional way.

Some of the men appearing in that image search are the diametrically opposed, bottom of the barrel antithesis of positive role models.

And what’s with Ellis Atlantis saying there was no drag to see growing up. Born in 1994 as far as I can see. So never saw Lily Savage host a mainstream tv quiz show on the BBC until 2002 for example? Or does Ellis mean there was none of the pornified type drag queens that are common now?

No, the mother, in quite possibly the most insincere video I’ve ever seen, says she thinks it will help her child, but we don’t hear from the child himself.

Yes, so we hear from the mother.
She's saying that by putting it onto a mainstream slot, people such as the bullies will maybe not be so quick to ridicule/bully as they might see actually its OK to dress up /wear make up?
Make the child feel more seen /confident to wear what they like?
No we don't hear from the child themselves, but surely the mum knows her child, interesting how you instantly try to write her off as insincere.

@Innocenta

Some of the men appearing in that image search are the diametrically opposed, bottom of the barrel antithesis of positive role models.

I have no idea who they are. I just searched for man wearing makeup.

God I hate drag! I can't understand why it's not banned.

We're not allowed to dress up as black people (rightly so), so why are men allowed to parody women like that?

It's so bloody demeaning.

She's saying that by putting it onto a mainstream slot, people such as the bullies will maybe not be so quick to ridicule/bully as they might see actually its OK to dress up /wear make up?

Do you really think that teenage bullies would be less likely to ridicule boys wearing make up because they think Ant & Dec (aged 46) did it too?

My son’s school has quite strict rules on wearing makeup for either sex. Whilst I understand the mothers concern about bullying surely it depends on what he is wearing and when. If he is looking like a drag queen each day at school is it acceptable? If he is doing it in his own time that’s a different matter. Like many, I was a teenager in the 80’s/90s and quite frequently saw men wear make up. It was actually seen as quite cool. However I guess the difference was that men seemed to have their own style which wasn’t a parody of women.

She's saying that by putting it onto a mainstream slot, people such as the bullies will maybe not be so quick to ridicule/bully as they might see actually its OK to dress up /wear make up?

It's fancy dress. It's fancy dress accompanied by some pretty offensive performative behaviour.

Are you saying that it should be ok to go to school or office like this?

It's ok for women or men to wear makeup and it's ok to dress unconventionally, but that is not what drag is, nor what it represents.

My ds is trans and these two dressing in drag could not be further removed from my child's world.
Nothing in common whatsoever.
My ds just wants to melt into the background not parade in such a way.

If anything I would imagine that gives fuel to the bullies.

Do you really think that teenage bullies would be less likely to ridicule boys wearing make up because they think Ant & Dec (aged 46) did it too?

It might help to normalise it a bit more for want of a better word.

Bullies bully. They simply find something else. Its dealt with precisely nothing.

Men in woman face is not inspirational

Why do you want to normalise offensive behaviour?

Bullies bully. They simply find something else
True, but if it stops and makes them think about one aspect it's better than nothing, surely.

So as I said. Unite in misogynistic behaviour. Fuck that. Women are not a physical or emotional punch bag here to absorb every issue caused by everyone else

Women are not a physical or emotional punch bag here to absorb every issue caused by everyone else
Nobody's said we are?

Then you see the problem.with drag? Uniting people with a common goal to dehumanise, ridicule , and mock women?

Normalising men in make up should just consist of men being men in regular clothes with make up.

Not making a joke out of us.

Then you see the problem.with drag? Uniting people with a common goal to dehumanise, ridicule , and mock women?

No, because I don't see it like that.
I don't see it as mocking me.
They're not me.
I am.
If someone wants to express themselves in drag, that's up to them.

@EeeICouldRipATissue

Women are not a physical or emotional punch bag here to absorb every issue caused by everyone else Nobody's said we are?

Except when men's facilities remain for males' exclusive use and women's facilities are forced to accept males. Prisons, changing rooms, support fir female survivors of rape, hospital wards where women are lied to when a male is placed in a women's ward, women told to stop 'weaponising' their abuse, women's healthcare being robbed of its sexed terminology. Need I go on? All to pander to men's desires.

If someone wants to express themselves in drag, that's up to them.

Fine, in a drag nightclub. It is no more appropriate in mainstream life than a gimp mask.