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Green Party proposed conference motion WDI

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BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 12/02/2022 11:17

I saw this on Green Feminists on Facebook and, well, blimey! On top of Shahrar Ali and Emma Bateman's recent (and long term) treatment it seems a big purge is being touted.

"Sign the Women's Declaration International declaration on sex-based rights for women and you may run the risk of being thrown out of the Green Party.

Green Feminists who are also members of the Green Party of England and Wales need to be aware of the late motion being brought by Ani Stafford-Townsend co-chair of the Green Party Women committee which is given below:

Late Motion: Developing an intersectional approach to diversity in the Green Party

Synopsis:

GPEW accepts the damning results of the 25th January 2022 Council of Europe report “Combating rising hate against LGBTI people in Europe”. GPEW accepts that it has been subject to hard-line anti-trans activism for some time; issues cannot be tackled without understanding; and oppression of marginalised groups intersect.

Motion:

Insert into Record of Policy Statements:

RR539:

The Green Party recognises the need for civil, open dialogue between party members on the topic of Trans Rights, in order to enable the party to make the most informed policy decisions possible.

The Green Party accepts that the “Gender Critical” movements in most UK political parties have been infiltrated by hard-line extremists, who advocate for the wholesale removal of virtually all trans rights as currently enshrined in the Equality Act 2010, and routinely share platforms with those who advocate for extremist positions such as the mass sterilization of trans people. These extremists have also been linked with attacks on women’s abortion rights, misinformation designed to provoke hatred towards trans people, and have benefitted from funding from the far-right.

The Green Party condemns hard-line anti-trans activists, including signatories of the “Women’s Declaration International”, which calls for the following:

A total ban on all trans women from entering any and all women’s spaces, including toilets, changing rooms, etc.

A ban on all internationally recommended trans healthcare of any kind on under 18s.

A ban on organisations that recognise Gender Identity (including policy that merely accepts the use of preferred pronouns) from having any involvement in children’s healthcare.

Legally protect the right to misgender trans women.

Ban trans women from being legally recognised as mothers, and trans men form being legally recognised as fathers.

Ban scientific research into fertility treatment for trans women.

Ban all trans women from misogyny combating measures, such as all women shortlists, scholarships, etc.

Ban all trans women and girls from women’s sports at all levels of competition, irrespective of the wishes of the organising sporting bodies.

Ban all trans women from women’s prisons.

Require all collected statistics to refer to trans women as male, and trans men as female.

Legally protect parents who seek to deny healthcare or therapy to transgender children.

The Green Party recognises that while many moderate gender critical party members may wish to discuss or debate some of the WDI demands, that collectively they represent a hard-line extremist view, involving what would be some of the most extreme anti-trans legislation in any country in Europe. The Green Party expresses regret that the Council of Europe report deems the UK as being on par with Russia, Poland and Hungary when it comes to LGBTI rights, and wishes to oppose any further worsening of our position.

Conference instructs :

Conference instructs GPRC to suspend signatories of the WHRC/Women’s Declaration International.

Conference instructs GPEx to provide intersectional equalities & diversity training to elected members, internally & externally, and to local party officers, in order to gain a comprehensive understanding of how the challenges to the rights of all marginalised groups intersect.

Insert into the Code of Conduct:

10.11:

Members should under no circumstances sign or have signed public declarations calling for the explicit removal of LGBTQIA+ rights, as enshrined in the Equality Act 2010 (under “gender Identity” and “sexual orientation”), in particular the WHRC declaration/Women’s Declaration International. Those members who do or have done so should be suspended from the party permanently."

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BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 14/02/2022 09:24

@Sazzasez

The “successful male pregnancy” in rats announced recently in China is absolutely horrific. But it gives credence to the “of course men are going to be able to have babies” claim. This is how they did it: castrate a male rat. Attach him to a female rat. Both of them immobilised. He is drained of blood & attached to her circulation so that her heart, liver & kidneys support him & her endocrine system feeds him. Kill a female rat, remover her uterus & implant it into the male. Immobilise a third female rat, drug her to stimulate ovulation, harvest her ova. Fertilise them in vitro. Implant fertilised ova in the uteruses of both the male rat & the female who is his life support system. If the pregnancies take, they develop in tandem. The female’s hormones circulate in the body of the attached male - the parabiont. When the pregnancy has reached term, the pups are surgically removed from the male (I don’t know about the female’s pups. The “successful” was 3.68% of pups alive at 1 day from delivery. That has been reported as a total of 10 pups. I don’t know how many male rats were used but an average rat pregnancy is 5-12 pups. I’d guess they went to the lower end, so I’m estimating 50 male rats & 150 female ones. But I don’t know how many failures there were before the implant stage.

There is no way any ethics committee would approve this - even in rats.

That is horrific. Those poor rats. One thing I'm certain of is that if there was a possibility any of my organs would be used to create new life in somebody else I would refuse to donate. So abhorrently unethical.
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BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 14/02/2022 09:29

Hope any members of the Greens will stay and vote at the upcoming conference before they make a decision on leaving. It's our only hope of showing solidarity and the strength of our support for Emma and Shahrar. I also think other political parties such as Labour might pause to rethink if the Greens regained some common sense on this matter.

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RoyalCorgi · 14/02/2022 09:31

These people are insane. Insane and dangerous.

This is a fantastic way to make the Green Party unelectable.

WarriorN · 14/02/2022 09:37

Both the actions against Shahrar and Emma could bankrupt the party.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/02/2022 09:43

@WellThatsMeScrewed

How does this apply to the environment?

As our world is destroyed by climate change, as our natural world is torn apart we need a party focused on making the governments across our national accountable for their actions that directly impact the environment.

That’s what I thought the Green Party stood for.

Instead we have this?

Indeed.
teawamutu · 14/02/2022 09:49

@WarriorN

Both the actions against Shahrar and Emma could bankrupt the party.
Good. They're neither use nor ornament now.

Might as well start again with a party that actually gives a shit about science and the environment.

TheGreatATuin · 14/02/2022 09:57

@BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez

Hope any members of the Greens will stay and vote at the upcoming conference before they make a decision on leaving. It's our only hope of showing solidarity and the strength of our support for Emma and Shahrar. I also think other political parties such as Labour might pause to rethink if the Greens regained some common sense on this matter.
I want to reiterate the call for this too. If we can vote down this totalitarian motion and do it by a landslide, it'll send a huge message. This is a motion proposed by a few extremists. It's not gone through yet. We need as many people as we can to vote against it.
WarriorN · 14/02/2022 10:03

teawamutu I don't quite see it like that, it's devastating, but it will demonstrate to other parties how authoritarianism this is. Which could have an effect.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 14/02/2022 10:37

That is horrific. Those poor rats. One thing I'm certain of is that if there was a possibility any of my organs would be used to create new life in somebody else I would refuse to donate. So abhorrently unethical

Me too and the way this study is described is not IMHO a male rat 'having a baby'. It's like me running a marathon because someone chops off my leg and runs with it. It's messing with concepts and language to say that the male rat 'had a baby'.

DialSquare · 14/02/2022 10:47

That rat experiment is horrific. It's reminiscent of the Hunan Centipede.
I can't get it out of my head. Those poor rats.

Hypothetically, if this type of experiment used humans, how would the genderists know who to use in the experiment seeing as no one can tell the difference between the sexes? Apparently.

teawamutu · 14/02/2022 11:11

@WarriorN

teawamutu I don't quite see it like that, it's devastating, but it will demonstrate to other parties how authoritarianism this is. Which could have an effect.
Ah, I can understand it feels different if you've been in the party for a while and watched the decline.
DomesticatedZombie · 14/02/2022 11:36

@RoyalCorgi

These people are insane. Insane and dangerous.

This is a fantastic way to make the Green Party unelectable.

Yep.
Iwishihadariver · 14/02/2022 12:49

@WarriorN

Both the actions against Shahrar and Emma could bankrupt the party.

Yes. So this is a good reason nor to give the greens any more money. It costs to vote at Spring conference and I would rather deny them further income than pay to vote when I'm not even confident my vote will count for anything worthwhile. For evidence see what happened in the women's group election to Emma B and the co-chair who took three rounds to cross the finish line but is now running the show.

ChristinaXYZ · 14/02/2022 13:26

It is beyond me why any woman is still in the Green Party.

Sazzasez · 14/02/2022 13:34

This, absolutely!

I left the Greens years ago. But if you’re still a member, PLEASE vote this motion down.

It’s because very few people bother voting that GITs (Gender Identity Theocrats) manage to get such power and influence, especially in smaller parties.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/02/2022 14:14

Yes. So this is a good reason nor to give the greens any more money. It costs to vote at Spring conference and I would rather deny them further income than pay to vote when I'm not even confident my vote will count for anything worthwhile. For evidence see what happened in the women's group election to Emma B and the co-chair who took three rounds to cross the finish line but is now running the show.

For anyone who knows, how was this allowed to happen? Who got to make the decision to suspend Emma?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/02/2022 14:15

Me too and the way this study is described is not IMHO a male rat 'having a baby'. It's like me running a marathon because someone chops off my leg and runs with it. It's messing with concepts and language to say that the male rat 'had a baby'.

YY. TRAs are fans of that kind of thing, though, so par for the course.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/02/2022 14:16

TRAs are fans of that kind of thing

Messing with concepts and language, not running marathons with chopped off legs, for the avoidance of any doubt.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/02/2022 14:31

If that horrific rat experiment gets transferred to humans just think of the number of disposable women they’ll need to apparently create these parasitic male pregnancies.

A new kind of surrogacy.

DomesticatedZombie · 14/02/2022 15:19

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes. So this is a good reason nor to give the greens any more money. It costs to vote at Spring conference and I would rather deny them further income than pay to vote when I'm not even confident my vote will count for anything worthwhile. For evidence see what happened in the women's group election to Emma B and the co-chair who took three rounds to cross the finish line but is now running the show.

For anyone who knows, how was this allowed to happen? Who got to make the decision to suspend Emma?

I don't know. I don't understand enough about policies to know how it's possible to make malicious complaints against another member that lead to them being suspended, and suggest hounding and ejecting women who disagree with you, while still remaining in post. It's all very odd.
TuttingMaud · 14/02/2022 17:04

Me too.

I mean, the world is burning and the Green party is coming up with this utter insanity. I can't remember the last time I read anything related to the climate or preservation of the natural world on a national level from the greens.

I joined to vote and because I have good friends who are Green local councillors. I'm going to try to speak to them and see what they think is going on.

Rhannion · 15/02/2022 12:10

@TuttingMaud

Me too.

I mean, the world is burning and the Green party is coming up with this utter insanity. I can't remember the last time I read anything related to the climate or preservation of the natural world on a national level from the greens.

I joined to vote and because I have good friends who are Green local councillors. I'm going to try to speak to them and see what they think is going on.

Please come back to us on here why you find out what is really going on at the grassroots.
Rhannion · 15/02/2022 16:08

The Scottish Greens are have an advert for staff where it says” you can self identify as disabled “ WTF !!! It’s incredibly insulting to disabled people who have to go through so much just to get the benefits they need, without some arse “ self identifying “ as a disabled person and taking a job that they aren’t really eligible for. Absolutely appalling

StillWeRise · 15/02/2022 16:17

@Sazzasez

The “successful male pregnancy” in rats announced recently in China is absolutely horrific. But it gives credence to the “of course men are going to be able to have babies” claim. This is how they did it: castrate a male rat. Attach him to a female rat. Both of them immobilised. He is drained of blood & attached to her circulation so that her heart, liver & kidneys support him & her endocrine system feeds him. Kill a female rat, remover her uterus & implant it into the male. Immobilise a third female rat, drug her to stimulate ovulation, harvest her ova. Fertilise them in vitro. Implant fertilised ova in the uteruses of both the male rat & the female who is his life support system. If the pregnancies take, they develop in tandem. The female’s hormones circulate in the body of the attached male - the parabiont. When the pregnancy has reached term, the pups are surgically removed from the male (I don’t know about the female’s pups. The “successful” was 3.68% of pups alive at 1 day from delivery. That has been reported as a total of 10 pups. I don’t know how many male rats were used but an average rat pregnancy is 5-12 pups. I’d guess they went to the lower end, so I’m estimating 50 male rats & 150 female ones. But I don’t know how many failures there were before the implant stage.

There is no way any ethics committee would approve this - even in rats.

sounds like Never Let me Go
StillWeRise · 15/02/2022 16:20

@TuttingMaud

Me too.

I mean, the world is burning and the Green party is coming up with this utter insanity. I can't remember the last time I read anything related to the climate or preservation of the natural world on a national level from the greens.

I joined to vote and because I have good friends who are Green local councillors. I'm going to try to speak to them and see what they think is going on.

I am in a similar situation, but all I got from local councillors was 'mmm, its all very difficult isn't it, we need to look at everyone's rights'....I had the distinct feeling (I was getting emails from them) that they were chosing words carefully in case I quoted them publicly.