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Green Party proposed conference motion WDI

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BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 12/02/2022 11:17

I saw this on Green Feminists on Facebook and, well, blimey! On top of Shahrar Ali and Emma Bateman's recent (and long term) treatment it seems a big purge is being touted.

"Sign the Women's Declaration International declaration on sex-based rights for women and you may run the risk of being thrown out of the Green Party.

Green Feminists who are also members of the Green Party of England and Wales need to be aware of the late motion being brought by Ani Stafford-Townsend co-chair of the Green Party Women committee which is given below:

Late Motion: Developing an intersectional approach to diversity in the Green Party

Synopsis:

GPEW accepts the damning results of the 25th January 2022 Council of Europe report “Combating rising hate against LGBTI people in Europe”. GPEW accepts that it has been subject to hard-line anti-trans activism for some time; issues cannot be tackled without understanding; and oppression of marginalised groups intersect.

Motion:

Insert into Record of Policy Statements:

RR539:

The Green Party recognises the need for civil, open dialogue between party members on the topic of Trans Rights, in order to enable the party to make the most informed policy decisions possible.

The Green Party accepts that the “Gender Critical” movements in most UK political parties have been infiltrated by hard-line extremists, who advocate for the wholesale removal of virtually all trans rights as currently enshrined in the Equality Act 2010, and routinely share platforms with those who advocate for extremist positions such as the mass sterilization of trans people. These extremists have also been linked with attacks on women’s abortion rights, misinformation designed to provoke hatred towards trans people, and have benefitted from funding from the far-right.

The Green Party condemns hard-line anti-trans activists, including signatories of the “Women’s Declaration International”, which calls for the following:

A total ban on all trans women from entering any and all women’s spaces, including toilets, changing rooms, etc.

A ban on all internationally recommended trans healthcare of any kind on under 18s.

A ban on organisations that recognise Gender Identity (including policy that merely accepts the use of preferred pronouns) from having any involvement in children’s healthcare.

Legally protect the right to misgender trans women.

Ban trans women from being legally recognised as mothers, and trans men form being legally recognised as fathers.

Ban scientific research into fertility treatment for trans women.

Ban all trans women from misogyny combating measures, such as all women shortlists, scholarships, etc.

Ban all trans women and girls from women’s sports at all levels of competition, irrespective of the wishes of the organising sporting bodies.

Ban all trans women from women’s prisons.

Require all collected statistics to refer to trans women as male, and trans men as female.

Legally protect parents who seek to deny healthcare or therapy to transgender children.

The Green Party recognises that while many moderate gender critical party members may wish to discuss or debate some of the WDI demands, that collectively they represent a hard-line extremist view, involving what would be some of the most extreme anti-trans legislation in any country in Europe. The Green Party expresses regret that the Council of Europe report deems the UK as being on par with Russia, Poland and Hungary when it comes to LGBTI rights, and wishes to oppose any further worsening of our position.

Conference instructs :

Conference instructs GPRC to suspend signatories of the WHRC/Women’s Declaration International.

Conference instructs GPEx to provide intersectional equalities & diversity training to elected members, internally & externally, and to local party officers, in order to gain a comprehensive understanding of how the challenges to the rights of all marginalised groups intersect.

Insert into the Code of Conduct:

10.11:

Members should under no circumstances sign or have signed public declarations calling for the explicit removal of LGBTQIA+ rights, as enshrined in the Equality Act 2010 (under “gender Identity” and “sexual orientation”), in particular the WHRC declaration/Women’s Declaration International. Those members who do or have done so should be suspended from the party permanently."

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Deliriumoftheendless · 12/02/2022 13:27

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Ban scientific research into fertility treatment for trans women.

If they mean "uterus implants into males" it's already illegal.

This stood out to me as well.

What exactly does it mean?

What fertility treatment do they refer to? If a transwoman wants to impregnate their female partner would they not have the same opportunities as other men if they weren’t successful?

Realistically what are they saying because womb transplants aren’t exactly something the general public would associate with the Greens are they?

It’s not exactly clear is it?

highame · 12/02/2022 13:32

I imagine any women thrown out of the party for signing a document in support of women's rights might get themselves lots of interviews in main stream media.

Artichokeleaves · 12/02/2022 13:33

What a lot of fictionalised, over dramatic tosh. They still haven't clicked that shouting something a lot doesn't make it true. It's honestly like trying to deal with a young teenager in a strop.

WellThatsMeScrewed · 12/02/2022 13:40

How does this apply to the environment?

As our world is destroyed by climate change, as our natural world is torn apart we need a party focused on making the governments across our national accountable for their actions that directly impact the environment.

That’s what I thought the Green Party stood for.

Instead we have this?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 12/02/2022 13:44

What a load of bollocks.

Helleofabore · 12/02/2022 13:55

Hello!?? Daily Mail????

That list in the OP needs to be published widely.

Some of it is overly dramatic. Some of it is really saying the quiet bits out loud. And the MSM need to amplify those saying the quiet bits to full volume.

If they are prepared to expel and ban anyone for disagreeing, privately or publicly, about most of those then the entire UK need to see this in action.

With this and Stonewalls latest move against the EHRC they are back to no debate but just under subterfuge. Because they still have no strong evidence to support them.

anothersmahedmug · 12/02/2022 14:06

I suspect that sone people would get great joy from knocking women and green support in one paternalistic capitalist sweep

Signalbox · 12/02/2022 14:12

@Rightsraptor

I'm a Green Party member, not remotely committed to it, but just so's I could vote. I have also signed the Women's Declaration.

I've always wanted to be thrown out of something or somewhere. I'd have preferred to be thrown out of a bar for dancing on the tables, but hey ho, any port in a storm. This will do.

Who do I message to admit my sins to?

I also have a sudden urge to 'fess up :D
DontLikeCrumpets · 12/02/2022 14:54

@Deliriumoftheendless imo it is a clear reference to womb transplant research

Rightsraptor · 12/02/2022 15:05

When Kathleen Stock was interviewed on radio by Iain Dale there was a TW who phoned in about KS having signed this letter. TW first said about the withdrawal of necessary healthcare but quickly moved on to stating that the declaration signatories are against uterine implants for TW. Too damn right we are. KS said as much, but it wasn't really picked up on beyond that, as it should have been.

It must be made clear that objections to trans 'healthcare' is absolutely not about denying them appropriate treatment for the medical conditions we can all have, but it is about not going down experimental routes. Especially not for children.

CrossPurposes · 12/02/2022 15:11

Of all the insanity, is this the most insane thing to have an issue with?: Require all collected statistics to refer to trans women as male, and trans men as female.

Not one person benefits from telling lies. No one at all.

Deliriumoftheendless · 12/02/2022 15:11

[quote DontLikeCrumpets]@Deliriumoftheendless imo it is a clear reference to womb transplant research[/quote]
Is this really what Green voters want?

Or any members of the public?

No.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/02/2022 15:18

Yes I'm not sure implanting uteruses into males is really in tune with the Green ethos.

DomesticatedZombie · 12/02/2022 15:20

This'll definitely make the green party seem more reasonable and electable.

I would say this motion is extremist. Also discriminatory on the grounds of sex.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 12/02/2022 15:36

@WellThatsMeScrewed

How does this apply to the environment?

As our world is destroyed by climate change, as our natural world is torn apart we need a party focused on making the governments across our national accountable for their actions that directly impact the environment.

That’s what I thought the Green Party stood for.

Instead we have this?

It doesn't apply to the environment. The Green Party ceased being solely focused on environmental issues years ago. As they developed into mainstream politics they had to broaden their issues to include everything that government is involved in (education, health, taxation, foreign policy etc). They're now a very left wing party, bordering on batshit crazy.
yetanotherusernameAgain · 12/02/2022 15:46

I thought the point about "mass sterilisation" is in response to people highlighting the large proportion of transwomen who keep their male genitalia. TRAs try to claim that people who are uncomfortable with TW having male genitalia in effect want to force TW to have surgery, even if they don't want it (ie against their will). Hence the hyperbole about "mass sterilisation".

CatsOperatingInGangs · 12/02/2022 16:11

@Rightsraptor

When Kathleen Stock was interviewed on radio by Iain Dale there was a TW who phoned in about KS having signed this letter. TW first said about the withdrawal of necessary healthcare but quickly moved on to stating that the declaration signatories are against uterine implants for TW. Too damn right we are. KS said as much, but it wasn't really picked up on beyond that, as it should have been.

It must be made clear that objections to trans 'healthcare' is absolutely not about denying them appropriate treatment for the medical conditions we can all have, but it is about not going down experimental routes. Especially not for children.

I’m pretty sure it was Katy Montgomery who called up.
Rightsraptor · 12/02/2022 17:06

Katy was it? I had no idea of Katy's voice, so didn't recognise it (for the benefit of the moderators and the wrong-think detectors, the 'it' here refers to the voice, not Katy).

I'd love that aspect of their beliefs to get more airtime - it's so stark, staring bonkers and I'd stake the farm on it being utterly repellant to the vast majority of the British public.

BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 12/02/2022 17:08

Looks like the bit about suspending members (permanently) has had to be removed from the motion. Interesting list of co-proposers.

Green Party proposed conference motion WDI
Green Party proposed conference motion WDI
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BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 12/02/2022 17:15

@Rightsraptor

Katy was it? I had no idea of Katy's voice, so didn't recognise it (for the benefit of the moderators and the wrong-think detectors, the 'it' here refers to the voice, not Katy).

I'd love that aspect of their beliefs to get more airtime - it's so stark, staring bonkers and I'd stake the farm on it being utterly repellant to the vast majority of the British public.

It all needs more airtime. The more bonkers stuff the better. So many people I know irl have peaked recently. The ones still doubling down are the heavily invested previously very vocal ones. If there was a way they could retreat whilst saving face I think many would take it. Too many people don't seem able to put their hands up and say, "I was wrong. I didn't think this through enough."
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VelvetChairGirl · 12/02/2022 17:23

routinely share platforms with those who advocate for extremist positions such as the mass sterilization of trans people

Erm that'll be the TRAs themselves as thats what medical transitioning does Confused

drum123 · 12/02/2022 17:29

On the subject of a baby being born from an implanted uterus, how would it be reported i? 'A man has given birth' - nope, that's transphobic as TWAW. 'A transwoman has given birth' - transphobic again for the same reason. 'A woman has given birth' - well, that's no good, no one would pay any attention to that. 'A person who is a man, but says he is a woman, has given birth' - that's the closest to the truth and perfectly covers the batshit craziness of it all. I suppose it would depend on how much attention the new uterus haver craved - and we all know how much that would be!

Toseland · 12/02/2022 17:42

Blimy I think they are bloody furious after EmB’s speech at Speaker’s Corner.
This bit about sterilisation was one of the accusations levelled at EmB when she was suspended. I think they mean Posie. ”routinely share platforms with those who advocate for extremist positions such as the mass sterilization of trans people.” (they use US spelling oddly do you think that’s copied and pasted from the orders from Trans High Command?).
This bit is a threat: they always mention ‘attacks on abortion rights’.
”These extremists have also been linked with attacks on women’s abortion rights, misinformation designed to provoke hatred towards trans people, and have benefitted from funding from the far-right.”
It’s mostly hysterical nonsense.
Go Posie and Emma!

PronounssheRa · 12/02/2022 17:44

At a time where the green party should be most relevant it's being driven off a cliff by extremists who have no interest in environmental issues. But I'm not surprised, after the challenor mess.

The people driving this and the leadership should be fucking ashamed that they are making the greens unelectable. those in the party who do actually care about the environment might have to split and form a new group.

Helleofabore · 12/02/2022 17:48

The implanted uterus was again foisted on us by a tra visitor last night. It is coming up more regularly now. And each time it is terribly sad to see some posters actually believe it to be possible. And one last month declared a pregnancy in the implanted uterus was just a few year away.

The medical researchers pushing this as a legitimate possibility should be ashamed of the harm they are doing. Carrying a baby in an implanted uterus is extremely u likely until they can implant all the female processing centres and delivery mechanisms to monitor and grow a foetus.

With so many females suffering losses due to the incredible complexity of pregnancy, it blows my mind that any person can think this is actually possible.

And that the amount of synthetic drugs and substances needed to be taken in by that foetus would be ever healthy for it.

But then I remember. It is never actually about the child in these cases. Is it?