#StickEmUp Thread 2; Gwent Police investigate dastardly thought criminal Jennifer Swayne

[Thelnebriati]

Carrying on the discussion from this thread;
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4461798-Jennifer-Swayne-arrested-for-stickering

Cross-post: I just started a new thread so I'll post this link again here. Trans activist Layla Stokes has commented on Jennifer Swayne's arrest:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-statement-from-layla-stokes-says?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cta

Thank you for new thread @Thelnebriati

Thanks for new thread. Looks like it'll be needed.

for the gardeners: twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1487017735225761796?s=20&t=CR5biWFHeKDX_2mPOCVbtg

Thanks for the new thread.

Came to post the statements about the blades etc. As Royal above.

Thanks for the new thread. Going to read up on recent developments now.

£36,722 now! Hopefully Posie's demo will bring more attention to this.

[quote RoyalCorgi]Cross-post: I just started a new thread so I'll post this link again here. Trans activist Layla Stokes has commented on Jennifer Swayne's arrest:

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-statement-from-layla-stokes-says?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cta[/quote]
@RoyalCorgi do you hear that noise? That's the sound of backpedaling at high speed. It's like a whizzing, buzzing noise.

Thing is though, they can say what they want on the internet. If they did indeed did report these alleged crimes to the police, and reported sharp objects, CPS can still summon them to court to testify.

If on the stand it all comes out they lied, they can welcome a charge of wasting police time.

Must be squeaky bum time for them, their arse must be making smarties.

The CPS and Gwent Police can't simply drop this now, it's too public. My guess is upon answering bail the defendant may be NFA'd for lack of evidence. Gwent police and the CPS must be furious 😂

Thanks for the thread.

That Layla person... Not exactly a credible witness, then.
Quelle surprise.

Did a little digging, glad to see how many carrots have already been discovered.

Dug. Thank you for signposting.

Marking my place (with some stickers - 💜🤍💚)

Couldn't make it to the protest today, glad it went well

My guess is upon answering bail the defendant may be NFA'd for lack of evidence.

lol, they literally caught her in the act and she admitted it in her police interview.

Lovely stickers, I'll add some too 💜🤍💚

We have courage we keep going

We don’t have a choice. Great gardening

@barleybadminton

My guess is upon answering bail the defendant may be NFA'd for lack of evidence.

lol, they literally caught her in the act and she admitted it in her police interview.

She couldn't have "admitted it in police interview" if she had, she would have been charged the next day at magistrates, as the confession will have been noted and the CPS would have continued.

You don't admit to a crime in interview and then get bailed "pending further investigation"

You don't admit to a crime in interview and then get bailed "pending further investigation"

You might if they are hoping to find evidence of additional charges, or more serious charges. But the fly posting is bang to rights, she was caught in the act, and they've got CCTV of her doing it on other occassions according to the police, and they found similar stickers at her home and she admitted it she claimed in the Savage Minds interview. The one thing they are not short of is evidence.

Whether they can make the public order charge stick in addition to criminal damage is what's really in question - and that will be down to whether CPS lawyers think that what it said on the posters she put up has a good chance of being found in court to have caused alarm, harassment or distress. Given we don't actually know what it said on all the stickers and posters she put up then that's difficult to call. One option would be to drop the public order charge and go with criminal damage and ask for it to be aggravated to a hate crime, in which case it will be down to the magistrate whether she should receive an aggravated sentence.

The other is deal with it with a penalty notice/caution, presuming she is prepared to accept that. But I don't really see a world where it's dropped, what does that say to the community of Newport, people can come and deface public property under the police's noses with no consequence? I doubt that will go down well with either the council or local business community, lots of people really don't like illegal flyposting.

I may have missed something but has the TRA who admitted to travelling to Newport to cover over stickers stating that 3 women die a week at the hands of men with their own stickers faced the same charges? They admitted what they intended to do, showed train tickets showing that they were going to travel to the area, posted photos of their stickers in situ and, as far as I can remember, were offering stickers which they had produced to their Twitter followers, inciting them to do the same. If the issue is flyposting, then the same charges will be placed against them surely? Additionally, there had been TRA stickers already on the lampposts, inciting gun violence against women - this will be also be getting vigorously investigated one would assume?

Thing is, nothing I've seen indicates that this is the case. So at the moment it looks like stickers which incite violence against women is A-OK but stickers denouncing women being murdered is enough to have a woman with a disability dragged into a Police station, denied her medication and left to make her own way home at 3.30am, on a mobility scooter.

It's not great optics, is it? Telling though.

But the fly posting is bang to rights

I'd so love to know why fly posting is so much more serious an issue than DV, burglary and so on.

I live fairly rurally. We have so few police that it's up to the farmers to prevent hare coursing, because the police can't. Don't expect the police to get your stolen working dogs back (I think we've had one stolen dogs bust in about three years, and God knows how many wokring dogs stolen). Fly tipping? Huh, just something that mysteriously happens, over and over again in the same locations. Burglary in your shop discovered on Monday morning? Don't bother waiting, because you'll be waiting till Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday, and you can't afford to lose the trade. I know of a village shop that closed because the owners couldn't face another armed hold-up. I've heard stories of crime on farms that are genuinely frightening.

Rural policing is, by and large, shit. The small local police stations have all closed. The police don't know anyone. We don't know our police. We never see them.

And Gwent police can arrest, question and search the house of a woman for fly posting radical things like 'No men in women's prisons'. You can imagine how that plays with people like me.

@barleybadminton

You don't admit to a crime in interview and then get bailed "pending further investigation"

You might if they are hoping to find evidence of additional charges, or more serious charges. But the fly posting is bang to rights, she was caught in the act, and they've got CCTV of her doing it on other occassions according to the police, and they found similar stickers at her home and she admitted it she claimed in the Savage Minds interview. The one thing they are not short of is evidence.

Whether they can make the public order charge stick in addition to criminal damage is what's really in question - and that will be down to whether CPS lawyers think that what it said on the posters she put up has a good chance of being found in court to have caused alarm, harassment or distress. Given we don't actually know what it said on all the stickers and posters she put up then that's difficult to call. One option would be to drop the public order charge and go with criminal damage and ask for it to be aggravated to a hate crime, in which case it will be down to the magistrate whether she should receive an aggravated sentence.

The other is deal with it with a penalty notice/caution, presuming she is prepared to accept that. But I don't really see a world where it's dropped, what does that say to the community of Newport, people can come and deface public property under the police's noses with no consequence? I doubt that will go down well with either the council or local business community, lots of people really don't like illegal flyposting.

Oh I've just realised who you are from other threads O have read recently. You seem to be quite the "expert" in everything don't you.

I think I'll just ignore you. Because I don't think you are the type of person who knows when half of what they are saying is incorrect and are willing to accept being corrected.

@Waitwhat23

I may have missed something but has the TRA who admitted to travelling to Newport to cover over stickers stating that 3 women die a week at the hands of men with their own stickers faced the same charges? They admitted what they intended to do, showed train tickets showing that they were going to travel to the area, posted photos of their stickers in situ and, as far as I can remember, were offering stickers which they had produced to their Twitter followers, inciting them to do the same. If the issue is flyposting, then the same charges will be placed against them surely? Additionally, there had been TRA stickers already on the lampposts, inciting gun violence against women - this will be also be getting vigorously investigated one would assume?

Thing is, nothing I've seen indicates that this is the case. So at the moment it looks like stickers which incite violence against women is A-OK but stickers denouncing women being murdered is enough to have a woman with a disability dragged into a Police station, denied her medication and left to make her own way home at 3.30am, on a mobility scooter.

It's not great optics, is it? Telling though.

It's not just stickers, it's A3 posters as well according to Swayne.

And I have little doubt if the police observed someone flyposting right in front of them they would arrest them no matter what the content. Arresting someone based on what they said on twitter is a little more tricky, all they need to say is they made it up to show off and they've got reasonable doubt, but who knows, maybe there will be additional arrests.

It's always interesting to note what or who certain posters are obsessed with - and ponder (for a split second) why?

@Goatsaregreat

It's always interesting to note what or who certain posters are obsessed with - and ponder (for a split second) why?

Does posting on a thread mean you are obsessed by something?

Can I sticker on mumsnet? 🦖

Please don't ignore barely!
The responses are pure weed killer and encourage blossoms!
To be fair, I also don't respond because it is a tad tedious but i send courage to anyone who has the strength to keep at it.

and at "defacing public property".
when asked to use medically correct terms, you all run for the hills. Out come the police and you are all legal experts with big word hammers for swatting flies.