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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

We aren't the popular girls according to The New Statesman

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WandaWomblesaurus73 · 26/01/2022 17:00

www.newstatesman.com/internet-social-media/2022/01/gender-critical-feminism-is-not-as-popular-as-its-supporters-may-want-you-to-believe

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Abhannmor · 26/01/2022 17:54

Hmm. I believe the views of GC feminists are very popular indeed with tens of millions of men and women who aren't on Twitter. And only 15% of Brits are. Only 8% world wide. As for the NS isn't it owned by some oligarch now?

BettyFilous · 26/01/2022 17:55

@MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor

I never cared much about being popular. I place more value on truth and fairness.
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Zandathepanda · 26/01/2022 17:55

Rachel Muller Heyndyk who did the Logically report link has done a couple of trans reports. Unfortunately the data that she uses can be linked to and it can be seen that she draws illogical conclusions. For instance, in one article it implies there were 375 murders of trans people in over 2020-2021. She has corrected this just now to say this is not a U.K. figure but a worldwide figure. It can also be seen it is not a ‘neutral’ response from her ‘cis’ language. There were 0 murders in the U.K. of trans people according to her datasource. In the U.K. a man kills a woman every three days; a woman is killed by a male partner or ex-partner every four days. This figure hasn’t changed for years. So how can her Logically report reference murders and headline with ‘Transgender people are twice as likely to be victims of crime than cis people’.

TheGreatATuin · 26/01/2022 18:19

The Logically report and the NS coverage of it highlights just how easily stats and data can be misrepresented and then uncritically shared by people who want to believe it.
I believe a few people on twitter have already pointed out the flaws of the study, but tbh I'm not sure it matters.
They can frantically claim everyone still believes as they do, but it's no longer true. Too many people have realised that the emperor has no clothes.

VelvetChairGirl · 26/01/2022 18:31

@Abhannmor

Hmm. I believe the views of GC feminists are very popular indeed with tens of millions of men and women who aren't on Twitter. And only 15% of Brits are. Only 8% world wide. As for the NS isn't it owned by some oligarch now?
how do they know how many brits are I have at least 3 dorment twitter accounts, two I forgot the logins for and my actual one which they banned because I am GC but the account is still visible I just cant post anything ever again.
highame · 26/01/2022 18:46

I don't agree supporting trans rights is anti women's rights.. Supporting TRA's idea of what trans rights should be is anti-women's rights.

nauticant · 26/01/2022 18:52

Apparently the journalist is a firm opponent of misinformation:

The amendment was struck down in the House of Lords

Ahoyashipg · 26/01/2022 18:54

Neither were the suffragettes. Doesn't mean they were wrong.

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2022 19:18

She thinks this is news?

Come on, fucking MILLWALL were even scared to host gc feminists!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5487525/Tough-Millwall-football-club-caves-transgender-activists.html

Letterasaurus · 26/01/2022 19:20

Likewise. Megan Nolan I think.

Letterasaurus · 26/01/2022 19:22

Oops - that was a reply to Francesca upthread

IamSarah · 26/01/2022 19:27

That's 118k unpopular people who who liked this tweet from JK Rowling then.

We aren't the popular girls according to The New Statesman
CaptainSmartarse · 26/01/2022 19:31

Oh boo hoo 😭😂 .
What @MrBlobbyLivesNextDoor said.

GeorgiaMcGraw · 26/01/2022 19:34

Lmao, I love the idea that "biological sex is real and dimorphic in humans" and "men and women shouldn't be placed in prison together" are minority opinions.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 26/01/2022 19:34

I'm consistently irritated by the poor quality of fact-checking organisations.

Look how long it took More or Less to accept that they were in error and FPFW were correct.

I'm no more convinced of the accuracy of an app with a set of algorithms that I can't interrogate.

Thirtytimesround · 26/01/2022 19:37

Boo hop a stranger in a distant land doesn’t think I’m likely to be popular, however shall I cope 🤣

2bazookas · 26/01/2022 19:39

I've never wanted to be a popular girl.

Being an independent loudmouth woman is more me.

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2022 19:40

On the 'logically' article:

'tracking the spread of misinformation is often more complicated than simply uncovering coordinated inauthentic behavior'

'inauthentic behavior' is an interesting phrase. How are they defining this? How can they discern what is 'authentic' and what is not? And where is the misinformation? I can't see any cited.

'It is not true that a trans prisoner, solely based on self-ID, would be able to be homed in a prison that didn’t match their birth sex. '

If they have a GRC they will be homed in a prison that doesn't match their birth sex automatically, no risk assessment. And as far as I recall they are assigned a prison according to preference before the risk assessment is done - happy to be corrected on this if I'm wrong. (I mean, I'd be delighted if that wasn't true).

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2022 19:41

'The Sun' is Britains' most popular 'news brand', btw.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/12681010/the-sun-britains-most-read-newspaper-print-digital/

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 26/01/2022 19:48

If they have a GRC they will be homed in a prison that doesn't match their birth sex automatically, no risk assessment. And as far as I recall they are assigned a prison according to preference before the risk assessment is done - happy to be corrected on this if I'm wrong. (I mean, I'd be delighted if that wasn't true).

We need to know what the human fact-checkers who trained the AI understood because that's what the automated checking will reflect.

As it is, lots of US people don't understand the different legal systems and rights in the UK at all so there's a mass of misinterpretation.*

*Of course, having said this, our own College of Policing doesn't have a decent handle on Human Rights or the law…

CrossPurposes · 26/01/2022 19:56

@Ahoyashipg

Neither were the suffragettes. Doesn't mean they were wrong.
Exactly.
RepentMotherfucker · 26/01/2022 20:10

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

I'm consistently irritated by the poor quality of fact-checking organisations.

Look how long it took More or Less to accept that they were in error and FPFW were correct.

I'm no more convinced of the accuracy of an app with a set of algorithms that I can't interrogate.

I don't know about FPFW vs More or Less? Which is odd because I have been here forever

And Google isn't helping me either.

Won't someone come to my aid?

bishophaha · 26/01/2022 20:34

Not so long ago lying racist fuckhead Boris Johnson was proven to be extremely popular. If popularity is what you're after, it's not hard, is it?

Coconutmeg · 26/01/2022 20:40

Where’s Glosswitch nowadays?

KittyLeMew · 26/01/2022 20:41

Dear FUCKWIT,
I wouldn’t have given a shiny shit if there was only one person sharing this hashtag on Twitter, if there were none, if it was just one lone person screaming it into the void - women should not be forced to share prisons, cells and showers with male-bodies people, including murderers, rapists and paedophiles, many of whom are gaming the system, and want access to vulnerable women. There are already numerous women who have been raped, assaulted and abused. You have zero fucking awareness, you care more about your pathetic, thoughtless, idiotic virtue signalling than the rights and realities of women, many of whom have been abused their entire lives.
Seriously go fuck yourself you deluded, privileged MORON.
Signed KLM (unpopular non fuckwit)

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