When the lawsuits come, who will be held responsible and why?

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We know it's coming. So how will various people from various groups be implicated?

Teachers for example. How would they be able to say they didn't know?

I imagine most lawsuits will be negligence cases against doctors who can be demonstrated to have caused harm, with an attached cost. Costs would include both medical care costs and potentially loss of earnings, in cases where surgery resulted in disability. Also possibly mental health and/or surrogacy costs for lack of fertility.

The NHS Trusts surely?

Although banning gender conversion therapy in Scotland is a government decision so that would be the Scottish government

Sorry, forgot to say that I can’t imagine ways that teachers will be proved negligent, mainly because I can’t see how you could demonstrate that their actions had a financial cost, but perhaps others have a better grip on how it could work.

Also if a teacher has followed school policy throughout, I don’t think they’d be directly liable. It would be the school who created the policy who was at fault. Given that even the medical establishment use the affirmation model in the US and probably the UK as well, then any teacher or social worker can argue that they were following best medical practice at the time.

The medics however, have no such excuse as they ought to have examined the evidence and realised how poor it is and that it is particularly inadequate for young women as the model they are pushing was designed around a wholly different cohort of patients.

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Doctors and surgeons mainly, or rather the trusts they work for. Because they are the ones prescribing serious medication to children and performing irreversible surgeries with devastating long term consequences.

The government for the policies - in particular the housing of male bodied prisoners in women's prisons.

Lots more will be criticised heavily but not held legally accountable. Certain organisations will quietly disband.

The tide will turn and we'll start to see celebs suddenly changing their tune as their managers inform them popular opinion has shifted. They'll have Twitter epiphanies that they'll wang on about endlessly. Then the mememe apologies and a load of gaslighting and assorted bollocks.

People who've remained silent will suddenly appear and declare they've always disagreed.

Then there will be documentaries about the years that X was done and why with loads of people who never spoke up when it mattered getting themselves some publicity.

Oh, and lots of previous screamers of "kill the terf" will declare they never truly believed but wanted to 'be kind'.

Not to the women they were issuing rape and death threats too, of course.

I think a school governing board could be held accountable if a girl were injured due to playing sport with a transgirl, or worse in toilets or in overnight accommodation.

It might not be so much people being held accountable.

I would like to see jk Rowling publicly beatified once this is over!! I would like to see her on Oprah!! I would like to see documentaries on how she was right and I want her to be on Graham Norton and johnathan Ross (I know she is shy, but I have heard her on radio 4 - on the museum of curiosity she was marvellous and I think Bridget Christie was on too and tried sniping, but was magnificently rebutted. She was also in the Simon Armitage's shed, and it was a lovely episode.)

I would like to see Sharon Davies, Martina navratilova etc rewarded,maybe with specific women in sports trophies named after them?

But most of all, more than anything, I want to go and see Father Ted the Musical, I want to see glinner on telly talking about other things and writing a comedy starring James dreyfus that wins a bafta, and getting a really lovely, funny, clever girlfriend. I want happy endings for everyone, really.

Beyond an investigation into Mermaids and susie green, a restructure of stonewall, a couple of doctors being disbarred and a few plastic surgeons being put in prison, I don't know really what else we could do except sigh in relief that our children are safe.

This is why the Scottish teachers were worried, iirc, but I can't remember the body that had complained about the guidelines given to schools ... basically they said that recommending teachers didn't share important news with parents (like 'transitioning') was potentially leaving teachers open to future lawsuits.

• in a wider sense, Stonewall will be an easy scapegoat. It's almost set up to be that way.

Schools who transition children in secret will be vulnerable. It's a clear beach of the Children Act that only the courts can remove parental rights. There have been several incidents where parents have wanted to challenge schools in the courts, but with their vulnerable child at the centre, they've subsequently decided not to.

Another area where teachers will be vulnerable are those who run LGBT groups. Unplanned, off the cuff, mixed age discussions about LGBT issues. A poster recently asked people to imagine the reaction if a teacher decided to run a heterosexual group for years 7 - 13.
This is in breach of the DfE SRE guidelines on discussing sex in schools. If no parental consent is sought (and even if it is) teachers are opening themselves up to charges of grooming children and other serious sexual offences if the discussions include sexual matters with children below the age of consent.
Teachers are fools to get involved and school leaderships are failing in their duty of care to students and staff by allowing them.

But... Stonewall and the other lobby groups want them so fear rules rather than child safeguarding as usual.

What I really want now is a massive enquiry into the Police's institutionalised, apparently entrenched misogyny. That covers both the horrendous actions of so many police staff and the persecution of women by malicious actors.

I mean 'actors' in the sense of 'participant', to clarify.

I just hope that everyone starts realising that stuff on the Internet is ther forever. There will be no walking away quietly.

I truly hope that everyone complicit is held accountable fir the damage to the children. Police , Tavistock and mermaids and stonewall hopefully being top of the list

I would love to see those media organisations and individuals who silenced women's voices and heavily promoted the 'affirmation or suicide' narrative to parents brought to account.

Sadly, in the digital age, it is easy to delete and deny your history. We never said that, say the newspapers and magazines. Look through our (now digital) archive - not a trace! We were always on the right side of history.

I would also like to see some kind if guidelines or basic standards drawn up. For things like interviews and training. So any companies or whatever undergoing equality training and any TV interviews etc, well if those doing it cant achieve basics such as definitions of terms ( not circular ones ) and if they cant provide verified facts , so inner circle unregulated no control group style surveys being unsuitable fir instance then it doesn't meet the standards and therfore doesn't go ahead.

Oh, I think we need a robust national safeguarding body to regulate all organisations and ensure rigorous safeguarding/whistleblowing policies are maintained.

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Puberty blockers first up for litigation.

Good.

The medicines watchdog who licence things, NICE isnt it? something like that and then they in turn will attack the manufactures.

I am thinking thats what happened in the end for Thalidomide, it was blamed on GSK etc and they had to pay out.

but then this also involves mental health not just puberty blockers, I think the mental health and adviced treatment path minus the drug angle will go straight to government and stonewall and mermaids etc.

like the spidermen pointing at each other meme.

It was only a matter of time.

The thing that worries me here though is that with things like the SW training thr get out clause is written onto the paperwork. So I do worry that anyone who's done this , will effectively walk away unharmed. I mean I don't think that people who blindly went ahead with things and Just blocked/ignored anyone raising concerns should go un punished. But the big guns really need to be held accountable

I could say many things, but we are in the middle of a formal complaint with our daughter’s school (appeal heard last week) so I won’t, but where activist teachers have driven school policy and intentionally ignored clinical advice against affirming, and made baseless accusations to social services that parents following watchful waiting (on the back of clinical advice) have put their child “at the threshold for child protection”, they should absolutely be held accountable for their actions.

There’s a difference between staff following school policy as dictated to them, and the staff actively driving that policy and abandoning basic child safeguarding.

I was talking to a friend yesterday about celebrities (and people in power/decision makers) who had managed to get away with dreadful behaviour (whether it be negligence or conspiratorial).

JS can up and we couldn’t think of anyone who was reprimanded or convicted of anything as a result of from him being given free access to children/young women, or even being given the keys to a hospital etc. But people were voicing concerns at the time - a relative was a nurse at the time, and it was common knowledge that this man was not to be left alone at any time with patients or staff. They knew he was not a safe person around children - yet he had the keys to the hospital to come and go at will. People who raised concerns (seemed to be mostly older women) were called trouble-makers, fools, idiots, out of touch, etc.

So - decision makers, lobby groups, medical staff, parents, teachers… it’s like pass the parcel of responsibility.

The difference between the time of JS and now, which may be helpful, is that there soooo much online archived evidence and screen shots.

Emails from schools, nhs, psychotherapists, websites etc.

Twitter feeds. Adverts. Etc

Hopefully once the lawsuits start, the insurance companies will remove cover for these areas from doctors indemnity insurance. If that happens, you won't find any doctors willing to prescribe puberty blockers at any cost.

I think it will be doctors first, then 'therapists'. Tho do think schools can be targeted when they 'affirm' without telling parents, I can't see how this is legal?

Governments will need major actions to hold them to account? I dont know much about this area, but cant governments protect themself by declareing what they do 'legal'?
So it would take some kind of group action in the EU, national courts?