Another famous couple used a surrogate, put it down to God's grace

[ScreamingMeMe]

Nick Jonas and Priyanka Chopra this time.

No thanks to the women whose body they used.

"Speaking to Vanity Fair for its February 2022 issue, she said: "They're a big part of our desire for the future.

"By God's grace, when it happens, it happens." "

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/priyanka-chopra-and-nick-jonas-announce-birth-of-first-child-through-surrogacy-12522097

The thought of that tiny baby in a hospital without any kind of parent around makes me so sad. They don't have the right to call themselves parents.

The woman having her seventh surrogate baby.

I don't know how old her own children are but for much of their childhood their mother had been pregnant. That must impact their life not to mention the fear of being orphaned after their mother ended up in ICU.

‘I love giving birth. This is my seventh surrogate baby’.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a5a8dbd8-4ac5-11eb-81f9-1b786036a268?shareToken=3d81f6a7f87f3ca9c037aeaec807cf7cc_

The gossip blinds are very unforgiving of these two, basically hinting that it's a bearding relationship.

I assming the wife could have had kids herself? but did not want to?

God this is so fucked up.

Chemical bonding takes place during pregnancy and birth. How are these commissioners going to provide the LOVE need to bring a human baby to adulthood.
Are they going to hire someone to do that? I kind of hope they do as doubt they have the alturism to be actual parents.

Deliberately creating a baby whose first experience is the trauma of being removed from the only person they know. The child's brain and subsequent relationships will be forever harmed by the loss

Surrogacy only benefits immoral, wealthy people who want a baby at any cost. The harm to the child is never considered

@CatherinaJTV I compared the woman's situation as a surrogate (having a baby for profit) with a dog being bred (for profit).

Dog breeding has limitations imposed by law to protect the dam and the puppy. Surrogacy is cruel by comparison and leads to horrible situations that do harm to poor women and newborn babies.

People make money though, so there's that.

There's a good thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3782983-surrogacy-resource-thread-please-post-your-links-here?msgid=92750245#92750245

If the surrogate is in the US and it is her fifth surrogacy, she is likely to have earned more than $500,000 from it. Given that she MAY otherwise have been poor with no chance of going to college or owning her own home, who are we to judge? Her body, her choice.

I can see why she said by "God's Grace". Having a baby, by surrogate or naturally, is never a guarantee that you'll bring a live baby home.

@NCforSecretsThread

If the surrogate is in the US and it is her fifth surrogacy, she is likely to have earned more than $500,000 from it. Given that she MAY otherwise have been poor with no chance of going to college or owning her own home, who are we to judge? Her body, her choice.

There is simply no way the woman who had this baby would have earned as much as that (and I say earned as it is a transaction).

US Surrogate mothers going through an agency typically earn around $30k, though she may be paid more for twins, triplets etc, and be paid a daily stipend for following a specified diet, breast pumping and for 'foetal reduction'.

Do you think she paid more as the commissioning parents are celebrities? I find that quite naive.

How much is a baby worth and at what age are children no longer for sale? 2years old, 5? 10?

As the mum of a 26 weeker this makes me so sad. Who is doing skin to skin with this baby? Is it the birth mother? This is absolutely critical for a baby of this gestation. We started at a week old and from that point onwards DH and I would spend hours holding him. This is a really critical part of their recovery.
There were some NICU babies who had no one- no one ever came, no one ever held them. Sometimes the nurses did skin to skin for them.
My heart aches for this baby that is seemingly so wanted, but whose 'parents' are not there holding her daily.

And who gets to make important medical decisions for this baby? The parents who have never seen her or held her? The surrogate?

at what age are children no longer for sale? 2years old, 5? 10?

What point do these people think buying a human becomes wrong? Do they think buying a human is always fine or are there circumstances where they would find it abhorrent? What about the story of the baby girl being sold by her family in Afghanistan was that okay? I mean, her family did the selling, so presumably it was fine.

Chat thread on this. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4460190-Nick-Jonas-and-Priyanka-Chopra-Surrogacy

Don't forget whatever a surrogate mother is paid in the USA is subject to taxation @OhHolyJesus

Whereas a woman in the U.K. who passes off her payment as "expenses" will not be taxed. I believe there can be problems with the benefits agencies however, my understanding is they have a stricter view of what constitutes "expenses".

As expenses can include day to day living expenses such as rent/utilities/food, a surrogate mother in employment in the U.K. can claim nearly a year's living costs as "expenses" and bank the equivalent amount saved from her salary. But it's not payment. It's altruistic.

Oh and don't forget the post birth "gift" and holiday to recover.

USA commercial surrogacy, being contractual, as far as I know doesn't typically include gifts and holidays though maybe some commissioning parents are more generous than others.

@NCforSecretsThread

If the surrogate is in the US and it is her fifth surrogacy, she is likely to have earned more than $500,000 from it. Given that she MAY otherwise have been poor with no chance of going to college or owning her own home, who are we to judge? Her body, her choice.

I very much doubt she will see anything like this much money, more like $50,000 if she is really lucky.

I know a couple of surrogate mothers in the US and they are getting nowhere near $50k for themselves. Costs for the clients include the antenatal care and birth costs for the baby, and given the perverse health system in the US, this inflates costs of the surrogacy.

Surrogacy is entirely and utterly wrong, no-one should be buying babies.

The only person who jumps out as actually centering the mother of the children was Tyra banks:

'As we thank the angel of a woman that carried our miracle baby boy for us, we pray for everyone who struggles to reach this joyous milestone. York Banks Asla, welcome to the world.'

you can say a lot of things about a lot of people, but fuck me, why is everyone so damn willing to do this, and why do none of them realise that they don't mention the woman? (even 'carried' grates a bit - she didn't 'carry' she nourished, and protected, it's not a seed in soil, a baby requires the mother's body's full participation)

You could almost miss the surrogate part in this BBC article.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-60102951

[quote Whitefire]You could almost miss the surrogate part in this BBC article.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-60102951[/quote]
It was a small mercy that in that article the reason Kendall 'used' a surrogate mother wasn't because she is 'infertile'. At 50 it would be a rare occurrence for the majority of women to not be 'infertile' largely because their fertility had dropped off a cliff in their 40s.

She's not infertile, she's 50, and it's quite sad really that I feel relief that the BBC didn't lie about it in that article.

But what is with this 'welcoming a child through surrogacy'? Do people 'welcome a child through adoption' or simply adopt? For me it sounds like you are welcoming someone at the airport or welcoming someone to your home for a formal dinner party like something out do the 80s.

You either had a baby or you didn't, Kendal didn't have a baby, she had someone else do that for her and this woman was paid. It doesn't go unnoticed that she isn't named, even as 'surrogate'. The baby was 'welcome through surrogacy' as if beamed up by an invisible force or conjured by magic. Ta daa!

@Kotatsu

Surrogacy is entirely and utterly wrong, no-one should be buying babies.

The only person who jumps out as actually centering the mother of the children was Tyra banks:

'As we thank the angel of a woman that carried our miracle baby boy for us, we pray for everyone who struggles to reach this joyous milestone. York Banks Asla, welcome to the world.'

you can say a lot of things about a lot of people, but fuck me, why is everyone so damn willing to do this, and why do none of them realise that they don't mention the woman? (even 'carried' grates a bit - she didn't 'carry' she nourished, and protected, it's not a seed in soil, a baby requires the mother's body's full participation)

Thanks, I couldn't remember who it was who said that. You're right, I can't recall anyone else.

@Kotatsu

Surrogacy is entirely and utterly wrong, no-one should be buying babies.

The only person who jumps out as actually centering the mother of the children was Tyra banks:

'As we thank the angel of a woman that carried our miracle baby boy for us, we pray for everyone who struggles to reach this joyous milestone. York Banks Asla, welcome to the world.'

you can say a lot of things about a lot of people, but fuck me, why is everyone so damn willing to do this, and why do none of them realise that they don't mention the woman? (even 'carried' grates a bit - she didn't 'carry' she nourished, and protected, it's not a seed in soil, a baby requires the mother's body's full participation)

"Carried" is fine. It's common usage.

For the 9 months I carried you..... no charge

A celebrity bearding relationship that’s produced, by commission, a baby with additional needs. What could possibly go wrong?

@GreenClock

A celebrity bearding relationship that’s produced, by commission, a baby with additional needs. What could possibly go wrong?

I had just about her of her but had no idea who he was. They look extremely unconvincing as a couple.

I hadn't thought of any of the Jonas siblings in years, tbh. Since about 2007, probably. I doubt I could have named any of them by first name. I remember the Jonas Brothers being Disney musicians with Hannah Montana (now Miley Cyrus) and the media fuss about all the brothers wearing purity rings and that's it.