Girls with short hair being labelled as trans

[Sittinginthesand]

Even though they just wanted short hair.

So now they’ve nearly all got long hair. And if they want a shorter style they have to decide if they mind being questioned about whether they are trans or people assuming they are. Going for a short hair cut is almost like a ‘coming out’. So we’ve ended up with less diversity, less freedom, and more pressure to conform to stereotypes.

I have short hair and I am not trans. I shaved my head because my hair was in very bad condition.

It’s just mental isn’t it?

When I was studying psychology I remember there was a study that asked small kids if they out a cat mask on a dog would it then be a dog or a cat. Most three or found year olds can work it out. I asked my niece (who was 3 at the time) and she looked at me as if I was crazy and called me silly.

The women's institute I attend has many women in their 60s, 70s and 80s as members. I often think how gender non conforming they look. Everyone has short hair, no make up, most wear trousers and everyone wears flat shoes.

Of course to a woman they've spent their lives caring for others and facilitating their lives, often to the detriment of their ability to support themselves in old age. So they're incredibly sex conforming.

anyway, I don't see any blue haired TRAs campaigning on the behalf of these particular gender non conforming people

My daughter had short hair and wore trousers to school. Another pupil asked her 'what are you?' Another asked what her pronouns were. Honestly it's such sexist rubbish. My daughter is very critical of gender identity ideology so gave a good rebuttal.

I've always had short hair apart from a brief mullet perm in the 80s. I have short hair as it is so fine and doesn't grow very fast. I was mistaken for a boy a few times on my paper round, but as soon as I spoke people knew their mistake. To much hilarity to my daughtersI was called sir once driving up to a reception area, the man was more embarrassed than me. I think in the early 90s there was some assumptions I was a lesbian but I thought it was a stupid assumption to make.

I'm in a few groups for autistic parents and the pro trans stuff is really bugging me. Many autistic girls have short hair due to sensory issues, but before you know it they are binding etc and the parents love it.

It is so sad that the idea of a girl/woman's appearance is so narrow. Definitely gone backwards.

before you know it they are binding etc and the parents love it

fucking hell

“grafittiartist

I definitely notice this. Such a shame.

When I was at school loads of girls had short pixie cuts, and the boys long hair.“

Yes, and in the 1960s think of Twiggy and Mia Farrow who were hardly masculine.

It's just fashion, though isn't it?
Being trans is fashionable/tribal: dressing "like a boy" (ugh) signals that you are a girl following that trend. I think we've all decided previously that many girls are just experimenting with their gender identity, and aren't "really" boys. Many of them are just doing it to fit in.

It's just unfortunate for people who happen to like short hair, that short hair is equated with being a trans boy. But quite normal that people spot short hair and think, "ahh she's in that gang". Hair and clothes have always sent signals about identity; sometimes the signals are confusing when the same signal can be taken to mean different things.

When I was a teen I liked black clothes and dramatic makeup, but i wasnt a goth. Sometimes however i was mistaken for being a goth. I didnt take offence. People naturally assumed I was following the Goth herd; I wasn't. I didnt stop wearing what I liked wearing. And I didnt think, "oh wow maybe I'm a goth after all". I just ignored the idiots who labelled me.

I can't get that excited about who claims which hairstyle. Trends will come and go.

“Maireas
In a diverse society she should be able to dress and style her hair how she wants.
I've never known so much "princessing" as exists now. “

That is true. You quite often even see little girls wearing tutus with wellingtons to play in the park.

I mean, girls with short hair were always asked 'Are you a boy or a girl?' (what wags!), as I can attest having had cropped hair from age 8 to my 30s.

I used to laugh at people who thought I would be insulted to be asked if I were a boy - if I couldn't take that I wouldn't have short hair! So I would take it that most of the kind of girls who would have short hair would probably not mind being asked if they're trans or NB etc, or for their pronouns. Generally, very 'girly girls' won't want short hair anyway.

Will you be 'excited' about it when those girls start to use binders, take testosterone and have a double mastectomy?

God, what a depressing thread! I miss the music subcultures. Going goths and emo was an infinitely healthier expression of teenage angst and wanting to assert independence from parents than the current gender trend.

The worst a goth or emo would do is a few piercings or tattoos not life-long, life-altering and possibly life-limiting drugs and surgeries.

I saw this a while back, some of you might enjoy. Punks, goths and mods on Irish tv 1983

Ah wow my eldest got her hair cut at about 10 she was never described as trans or a boy. I think she still looked quite feminine but she always liked her make up. My youngest has short hair now too (11) though they are trans. No one questions it. It's just accepted

Not - you’ve missed the point, I think. It’s not that girls with short hair think ‘maybe I am trans’ (although some do under the influence of sm and peer pressure). Those aren’t the girls I’m thinking of here - it’s the ordinary, possibly sporty, perfectly happy with their body girls that can’t be bothered with the faff of long hair or aren’t interested in fashion, or have fine elfin features that would really suit a pixie cut. But now feel that they can’t because they AREN’T trans. It’s that the previously entirely unremarkable choice to have short hair now comes with an assumption that the girl is trans - that she is rejecting her feminine body. 20 or 30 years ago girls having short hair was just a style - it wasn’t ‘boys hair’, it was just short hair. My dd considered a pixie cut but was put off by the idea of people making assumptions about her - as she said ‘why can’t girls have short hair’. Your choice of wearing goth clothing and then people thinking you were a goth is not comparable.

The internet as a global means of group-finding certainly continued up to the late 2010’s: biggest subcultures were probably E-Girls (& E-Boys); VCSO girls; & hipsters (nature of hipster evolving between the Millennial & Gen-Z versions). Normcore was fairly short-lived. Maybe the Hypebeasts, though I’ve never been fully convinced that “being brand-obsessed & acquisitive” should really be considered a distinctive youth subculture

Now we’ve got Dark Academia (STG it’s mostly Potterheads trying to pretend they’re not into HP - oh & they’re Totally Grown Up); Goblincore (nature-focused with bonus!fairies & unnatural hair colours); Cottagecore (it’s all gone a bit “Little House on the Prairie”); WitchTok is bringing together The Youth much as “The Craft” did in the 1990s (but with some actual Wiccans & other grown-up Witches in the mix); & E-Girls/E-Boys have endured… THEN Scene/Emo Kids, Goths, Punks & the Grungers are all coming back.

However, the disparate groups are united by, essentially, a new religion - they, collectively, are a kind of Messiah, come to save the world (after previous generations have ruined it). They are the enlightened ones, accepting of all, alert to injustices, & challenging them whenever they see them (& deviation from the script = bigotry). They absolutely believe that if you tolerate any level of intolerance it will descend into fascism; & no-platforming is the only defence against that. Not all of them, obviously - & there are people older than them who have bought into many of the (very damaging, frankly) ideas that have been bundled together.

I thought it was ok to be gender non conforming, but all kids are being taught
These days that if you dare have any interests outside of stereotypes then you’re trans. If you want to dress differently you’re trans.. it’s horrifying.

I was looking at a class photo from the mid sixties. We would have been 6 or 7. 14 of the girls had hair well above shoulder length and only 6 had longer hair. I expect it would the opposite way round now.

I think it’s been coming for longer than we think, though. When my elder son was born in 1995 I remember being struck by the “pink and blue” mentality and the assumption of what were girls’ and boys’ toys.

For anyone whose DDs have short hair but are being told they are trans here are some examples of girls/women with short hair to show them.

Best Short Haircuts Of All Time - Celebrity Short Hair Styles

www.seventeen.com/beauty/hair/advice/g649/best-short-haircuts-of-all-time/

So true. I kid you not, we have 2 large secondary schools near us. At chucking out time, it is impossible to spot ONE GIRL who does NOT have long straight hair, centre parting, no fringe, skirt hitched up. We are a very white area - so there are just a very few black girls with shorter naturally curly hair.
My daughter has short hair and wears trousers to school. The school nurse told me she thought she must be questioning her gender identity because she looked so different. I was furious and asked if there was no room for a girl who just wanted short hair anymore?
It’s a monoculture now - no different styles, no originality. Just plastic social media filters and Kim kardashian image.

DD (13) cut her hair v short just before Christmas, this hasn't happened to her yet but I guess there's time yet. She's home educated so at least not under pressure to conform at school but definitely falls into the 'alternative' bracket, it makes me sad that those groups are less common at schools and colleges now. She's firmly GC and not afraid to say what she thinks so I pity the first person who labels her trans, they're likely to get a full lecture on gender stereotyping

Quite, they have to choose - are you a girl (must adhere to girl stereotypes) or a boy (boy stereotypes) or trans? It’s really positive that gender dysphoric children are accepted but most children do not need to think about what gender they are, they just need to be free to develop their personalities and interests without deep introspection, self labelling and deeply personal questions from strangers.

I had a very short pixie cut (think Winona Ryder) in the 90s and lots of people assumed I was a lesbian.

Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but this is something I’ve noticed over the years.

When I was at school most girls had short hair by today’s definition (shoulder length), a few had longer, a few had shorter.

When my oldest (now 20s) was at school the average length was longer, but some girls still had short hair.

Now my youngest (10) is at school all the girls have very long hair, none at all have short hair.

At the secondary school he is due to go to there are now several girls who’ve gone from long hair to short and now identify as NB. None have short hair and are happy to be seen as girls.

It’s so obvious that stereotypes play a huge part in this, but so many people are too stupid to understand and see how damaging it is to girls.

@Sittinginthesand

Even though they just wanted short hair.

So now they’ve nearly all got long hair. And if they want a shorter style they have to decide if they mind being questioned about whether they are trans or people assuming they are. Going for a short hair cut is almost like a ‘coming out’. So we’ve ended up with less diversity, less freedom, and more pressure to conform to stereotypes.

" So we’ve ended up with less diversity, less freedom, and more pressure to conform to stereotypes."

That is the goal I think. Restricting peoples choices and limiting differences to the point where all language on sex and gender becomes impossible... then the left are effectively immobilised as we will be accused by children who do not know better of being bigots, while the real bigots who rule our country get away with stealing all the money.

The trans "debate" is just part of the divide and conquer tactics the ruling class always use to keep us all arguing.

And it works as there are a lot of fairly fascistic young people who have been fooled into thinking that they are being good when they are in fact being evil.

It uses the same basic tactics as religions do too.

Yes. This is the result of gender ideology being adopted wholesale. My DD has shorter hair - now she gets told at school by other kids that she’s a boy. She says she’s not but her view doesn’t matter apparently!

DD is 9, has short hair and is rarely seen in anything but trousers and spends her time climbing things or playing sports.. She quite often gets mistaken for a boy, which she is mildly annoyed by. However last year she was at a holiday club with a bunch of kids from other schools and one boy repeatedly called a “girl” (doing air quotes!) because he was convinced she was MTF trans. Her friends were all a bit as they all said she was a girl but he wouldn’t listen. It quite upset her in the end.

Funnily enough her bestie is a boy who loves Barbies and has a real gift for designing clothes. No-one has challenged him … yet.