Matt Walsh asks trans activist 'what is a woman'..

[sacredfeminina]

Stumbled accross this on twitter. Matt Walsh, an American political commentator is on a chat show and confronts transactivist to define a woman and tells him that he is appropriating womanhood.

Then after being told that he has 'traumatised' the activists... He provides this response!!

Wow. He says sh*t straight.... Haha!

Talkshow:

Response:
twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1484268313815441418?s=20

I only post that as an alternative to the we only agree with him on this issue stance, which to me can appear the new orthodoxy and acceptable position.

@AdamRyan

If someone was saying squares are circles, and someone like Walsh was saying that isn’t true, squares are squares, it’s incomprehensible to me that people would spend an inordinate amount of time anguishing over whether they could agree with him about squares being squares because of his previous views on anything My point is there are a lot of people saying squares are squares so we don't have to fangirl everyone who says squares are squares. I think he's unpleasant and the way he presents his "squares are squares" view is unnecessarily hostile.

I think the utility is that having people from all across the political and ethical-belief perspective is that it reinforces the fact that the genderist position, as so poorly articulated in the clip in the OP is the extremist, incoherent, damaging opinion. Unpleasant people believe that sex matters, and some of them are rude and confrontational, which is to be expected because vast swathes of people believe that it matters, as it’s based on a truth about the world.

I don’t see many posters here fangirling him. Most posters have done the opposite, haven’t they?

For myself, I don’t have much of a clue what his beliefs are on anything, but that’s fine. The point that notbad and others are so patiently hammering away on is that it doesn’t matter and it’s actively damaging to engage in all or nothing thinking that says that it does.

Done the same, @sacredfeminina. Some people aren't nearly as clever as they think they are.

Including Matt Walsh.

Wow, that was a fast deletion! I'm not sure why what you said was a problem, either.

... i skip past the most frequent and difficult to read posts on this thread...

1984

Yes, that deletion implies that you are obliged to read all the ramblings thread.

All posters are equal but some posters are more equal than others.

@nolongersurprised

Why so excited about this chap?

Because he is an effective speaker and had a large audience and stepped out of his bubble to do so. More people have been made aware of the dangers of trans ideology through him.
This is good.

I don’t see many from the left clamouring to do the same, do you?

And more people will have listened to him and been impressed and then listened to his other views and some may have been converted. That's why he's doing it. It's a recruitment exercise for the extreme conservative right at a time when reproductive rights are under serious threat in many states in the US. And by posting this clip you are helping them. You are helping people who think it's legitimate to bomb abortion clinics. You are helping people who want to criminalise lesbian and gay relationships. You are helping people who believe in racial hierarchies.

The BNP opposed the Iraq war but you didn't see antiwar activists cheering on Nick Griffens speeches on the matter and saying well I don't agree with him on that other stuff but everyone should listen to this. And the reason for that is these people are very dangerous and if they ever achieve real power will destroy the lives of women and LGBT people and people of colour. It's not some big online game where you're trying to gather as many people as possible to agree with you on a single issue. This is real life and real lives. We saw that after what happened at the Capitol or the numerous terrorist attacks on reproductive healthcare providers. By amplifying these voices and laundering them through gender critical feminism you are supporting them in their wider aims. You are promoting an extremist who is part of a movement that seeks to destroy every gain feminism has made over the last century. A movement that is prepared to use violence to meet those ends. And believe me, if they ever manage to get near power then trans women in changing rooms will be the least of women's worries. Do you really want to be a part of helping make that happen?

Are you in the States, @barleybadminton?

It's a recruitment exercise for the extreme conservative right

Then maybe trans activists should stop giving the likes of Matt Walsh the opportunity to score cheap and easy points by appearing like the most reasonable and well-adjusted person in the room.

TRAs are the best recruiters the right wing could possibly ask for. If this concerns you, and it should, go talk to your pals. Inform them that people don't like it when you advocate for putting rapists into women's prisons.

Completely agree @barleybadminton

@allmywhat

It's a recruitment exercise for the extreme conservative right

Then maybe trans activists should stop giving the likes of Matt Walsh the opportunity to score cheap and easy points by appearing like the most reasonable and well-adjusted person in the room.

TRAs are the best recruiters the right wing could possibly ask for. If this concerns you, and it should, go talk to your pals. Inform them that people don't like it when you advocate for putting rapists into women's prisons.

Well said.

You are promoting an extremist who is part of a movement that seeks to destroy every gain feminism has made over the last century. A movement that is prepared to use violence to meet those ends.

This is already happening, though - there is already a movement that is seeking to destroy every gain feminism/women have made over the last century. It is being run by the TRAs, supported by their allies, and the violence and extreme actions are already being used to force acquiescence to their demands.

If this concerns you go talk to your pals
Pals?
Are you MW's pals just because you agree with him on this point?
It's all just such fucked up - '' people who support trans rights or campaign for them are all in cahoots and pals!''
Er, no.

If we are going to be using the guilt by association card, then unfortunately you are going to rack up a lot of people who send women rape threats to your side of the ledger, barley. Plus an assorted grab bag of spokespeople who are extreme porn advocates (J. Fae), alleged sex offenders and paedophile apologists (J Bradley, A Challenor, P Tatchell) convicted criminals (P Lees) etc etc.

Or, you know, we could just not do that. People here are mature enough to realise that agreeing with someone on one topic does not make us accountable for their actions, complicit in any of their endeavours, or in accord with them on any other topic.

And the reason for that is these people are very dangerous and if they ever achieve real power will destroy the lives of women and LGBT people and people of colour.

Unlike many trans activists who couldn't destroy the lives of "people of colour" if they wanted to, because they assume said people's skin colour is fake tan.

By amplifying these voices and laundering them through gender critical feminism you are supporting them in their wider aims.

Oh FFS.

Stop over egging every thread you come on.

Shall we start listing all the prominent people that support extreme trans rights and just what else they have said too.

Who shall we start with?

Wasn’t Montgomery posted as an appeal to authority the other day? Shall we start there? And the mocking female toilet habits on twitter? Or shall we move straight to some of the US academics?

This man, who has his own motivations, has pointed out some obvious truths. The truth is, if you define woman using such circular logic and allow anyone to be a ‘woman’ you are doing it to allow males to identify as females, and vice versa. You are not doing this for the benefit of the sex who use that term to describe themselves. We have already had several prominent extreme trans activists claim even the word ‘female’.

There was no substance in that male ‘educator’s’ argument at all. It was again an offensive use of female medical conditions to prop up an untrue statement.

Frankly, if a movement relies of these untrue statements and forcing words based on scientific definitions to be redefined to mean the opposite, it has no solid foundations.

That is not the responsibility of the vast majority to ignore and help prop it up.

That is ultimately what Matt Walsh is saying.

If you don’t like the truth, however aggressively stated it was, that is your issue. Agreeing with him and sharing his videos to discuss, however robustly people wish to discuss them, is not a statement of support for any other of his views unless people wish to support their other views. Which is their prerogative.

By amplifying these voices and laundering them through gender critical feminism you are supporting them in their wider aims.

What a simplistic way to approach the world.

And the reason for that is these people are very dangerous and if they ever achieve real power will destroy the lives of women and LGBT people and people of colour.

Take the plank out of your own eye, TRAs, their allies and adherents are doing a damn fine job of that as we speak.

because they assume said people's skin colour is fake tan.

Yes. Fake tan is a good example of how far some posters and activists over stretch.

Then maybe trans activists should stop giving the likes of Matt Walsh the opportunity to score cheap and easy points by appearing like the most reasonable and well-adjusted person in the room.

This times 100. Those pushing men in women's sports, prisons, etc are the ones most in control of this situation. They could immediately pull the rug out from under Matt Walsh and co by not advocating for dangerous nonsense.

Personally, I think the US right wing have been remarkably restrained on this so far. To some extent because it's taken time for the public to be conscious of exactly how bad and insane the TRAs are. There's always the danger that in describing what they're proposing you sound like the crazy one.

But the public are noticing, and are going to be increasingly receptive to people opposing it, so the right wing will be winning more and more because of it.

I think it's fairly likely the Democrats lose the next presidential election in large part because of it.

It's all just such fucked up - '' people who support trans rights or campaign for them are all in cahoots and pals!''

I can't believe you took to the fainting couch about the word "pals." fucking ridiculous. Don't you have any pals who are trans activists? You should make some; it's good to have friends who share your hobbies. And when you do, please tell them to stop being such useful idiots for the religous right. Thanks awfully.

argh bolding fail. the first sentence above is bb's bizarre hissyfit about the word "pals"

Yeah, it was the word pals I '' took to the fainting couch''
FFS.
That's what you took from it? I got an attack of the vapours over a word used?!
Ok then.

I think it's fairly likely the Democrats lose the next presidential election in large part because of it.

I have similar suspicions. The Democrats will not be helped by the pervasive attitude among their activists that because they identify as the party of "people of colour", they actually are, regardless of what "people of colour" think. I am going to introduce Barley and others to a startling, radical new concept. People of colour are not the Borg. They are individuals.

One feature I notice is common with gender identity adherents is that they tend to pay lip-service to other movements (e.g. improved accessibility in workplaces and public places, or anti-racism initiatives), and then identify as activists for that movement. Then they feel entitled to the support of everyone from that community, and goodness, don't the slurs start flying when anyone doesn't. Example If you, as an adherent to gender identity mindset, happen to tweet something about improving accessibility, you don't become entitled to the support of all disabled people. Disabled women can also be feminists, and they're not reneging on some kind of bargain with you if they disagree with trans activists.

No left-wing party is entitled to the votes of black women and men, disabled women and men, or anyone else. Parties need to earn the votes of the marginalised groups they claim to represent.