Help. School LGBT Policy

[AudTheDeepMinded]

Hello. My children's primary school have released a potential LGBT+ policy and are asking for comment. I'm reading through and so far do not have too much of an issue with it but have reached this:
The school will ensure that trans individuals are able to access the toilet and changing facilities that correspond with their gender identity.
Can anyone help me appropriately word a response to this that respectfully encapsulates my unease at this prospect (it affects staff as well as pupils) and does not make me sound unnecessarily prejudiced. Also, does this mean that a transwoman teacher would be able to supervise female pupils changing? Bluntly, this opens up all sorts of possibilities for unscrupulous individuals to take advantage of such a policy. Ah, I'm going to end up being labelled a terf aren't I? Help.

Okay so maybe not pre pubescent. Same question though. What is the difference between a boy and a boy who insists he is a girl?

@TheWeeDonkey

Okay so maybe not pre pubescent. Same question though. What is the difference between a boy and a boy who insists he is a girl?

His state of mental health.

His parents, his access to social media unsupervised, his friends, the bollix taught in schools these days, the access various suspect organisations have to kids, his exposure to things kids should not be exposed to....

@HaroldMeeker I feel we need to be bezzies :D

Second safe school alliance.

Ask to see their safeguarding policy for shared sleeping dorms in the event if a male sleeping in the females' including how they will deal with potential for pregnancy or sexual assault.

Quite a few girls will have started their periods by year 6, some maybe younger. Early periods are hard enough to deal with. My DD was painfully shy getting changed in front of others, if this had included someone she knew as a boy too she would have been mortified. Even if they were nice.

His state of mental health.

His parents, his access to social media unsupervised, his friends, the bollix taught in schools these days, the access various suspect organisations have to kids, his exposure to things kids should not be exposed to....

I agree with all of that but why should that be a problem for the girls?

His state of mental health.

Why does that require girls to give up their rights?

It's not only girls who have begun puberty, my own son's voice dropped when still in Primary.

@TheWeeDonkey

His state of mental health.

His parents, his access to social media unsupervised, his friends, the bollix taught in schools these days, the access various suspect organisations have to kids, his exposure to things kids should not be exposed to....

I agree with all of that but why should that be a problem for the girls?

It shouldn't be. The agenda behind this all is frankly terrifying.

I'm shocked and disappointed that this is a primary school issue.

The 'let's be kind' mentality must not be blind to the needs of females.

@PatterPaws

I'm shocked and disappointed that this is a primary school issue.

The 'let's be kind' mentality must not be blind to the needs of females.

The language is evidently written by and about adults. Self interested adults have been allowed to write policy for schools furthering their own personal wishes. A primary school reproduces this adult policy with limited understanding that it doesn't reflect the needs or rights of any child. Because everyone's so terrified of the bullying that comes from these groups, nobody dares point out the obvious - that this is totally inappropriate for children. So it's left to parents to be clear that girls are entitled to boundaries and have the right to say no to to enforced undressing in front of males - no matter how they identify. The language of predators has no place in schools, ever.

I don't think boys are pushing for this access, and agree outside predatory language and goals are creating issues for schools where issues do not normally exist.

My DS (12) would have hated to use the girls loos in primary. I know this as at 9-10 he was clear that as he didn't use the girls loos in school he would not use the women's loos with me and I could wait outside the men's for him. This seemed normal behaviour amongst his peers.

On the activity week away (age10-11) the girls and boys planned their separate groups for sleeping arrangements. The boys didn't care if one had a Teddy, one was sick at night, one sucked his thumb, one had a pink Tshirt, but it was just a given the boys would group for sleeping rooms.

@TheWeeDonkey

His state of mental health.

His parents, his access to social media unsupervised, his friends, the bollix taught in schools these days, the access various suspect organisations have to kids, his exposure to things kids should not be exposed to....

I agree with all of that but why should that be a problem for the girls?

I never suggested it should.

Fascinating you read that into it...

My statement of fact merely suggests proper therapy based around bodily acceptance. Not modern "therapy" based around assumptive affirmation of gender dysphoria.

@Sexnotgender

His state of mental health.

Why does that require girls to give up their rights?

And I repeat for you too...

I never suggested it should.

Fascinating you read that into it...

My statement of fact merely suggests proper therapy based around bodily acceptance. Not modern "therapy" based around assumptive affirmation of gender dysphoria.

What are they being protected from? Trans teachers? With the same qualifications and DBS checks as non trans teachers? Or their peers?

How is a trans child going to the bathroom going to make someone else unsafe?

I just genuinely don't understand the concern.

@MargaritaPie

*"this opens up all sorts of possibilities for unscrupulous individuals to take advantage of such a policy"-

Transwomen are a group of people who are subject to very intense scrutiny and suspicion. IMO I really don't think a man is going to go through all the trouble of becoming a transwoman to gain access to girls' changing rooms for sex-offence reasons.

IMO the suggestion that transwomen are just trans so they can access female spaces to be perverts is possibly a contributing factor to the negative reputation being gender-critical receives.

Exactly

DellaPorter

Last month a paramedic was struck off after being convicted of raping a patient in her home and sexually assaulting another in the back of the ambulance.

Prosecutors at his trial said [he] had "abused the privilege and trust that wearing an NHS uniform brings".

Police believed his career choice was "influenced by the access... to potentially vulnerable" people.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-59518773

The standard route to becoming a paramedic is committing three or four years to full-time study on a Paramedic Science degree course. That's a lot of work you know.

@PotatoParent

What are they being protected from? Trans teachers? With the same qualifications and DBS checks as non trans teachers? Or their peers?

How is a trans child going to the bathroom going to make someone else unsafe?

I just genuinely don't understand the concern.

Bathrooms, changing rooms and sleeping accommodation on residential trips are single sex, not single gender. This is good safeguarding. If you think that unnecessary then presumably you believe they should all be mixed sex. Is that what you think? All the male and female children, some of whom may be pubescent, just get changed together and share bedrooms on school trips?

Would you be happy with your year 6 daughter having a shower with a year 6 boy? This has nothing to do with trans but child protection. We have these rules in place to protect girls and boys. A year 6 boy could get an erection. How humiliating would that be for a shy boy! Yes even trans girls can get erections. Drop child protection and safety and you can forget about your girls privacy.

@MargaritaPie

*"this opens up all sorts of possibilities for unscrupulous individuals to take advantage of such a policy"-

Transwomen are a group of people who are subject to very intense scrutiny and suspicion. IMO I really don't think a man is going to go through all the trouble of becoming a transwoman to gain access to girls' changing rooms for sex-offence reasons.

IMO the suggestion that transwomen are just trans so they can access female spaces to be perverts is possibly a contributing factor to the negative reputation being gender-critical receives.

Transwomen aren’t the issue, men are Transwomen are Biologically (and in most cases physically) men and therefore should not have access to places where women or girls are likely to be partly or entirely undressed or vulnerable.

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Thank you Purgatory for reminding us of what never happens when men are allowed into women only spaces.

@PotatoParent

What are they being protected from? Trans teachers? With the same qualifications and DBS checks as non trans teachers? Or their peers?

How is a trans child going to the bathroom going to make someone else unsafe?

I just genuinely don't understand the concern.

"How is a trans child going to the bathroom going to make someone else unsafe? "

It is not for you, or that trans child, to police what other people (including children) feel about a person of the one sex using a bathroom for the other sex.

You do realise that predator males will lie to gain access to victims yes?

So normalising men using womens bathroom and changing rooms will increase the danger to our sisters and mothers while not actually doing anything meaningful for the people who think they are trans.

@AudTheDeepMinded You may find the Wider Lens podcast interesting - Episode 40 Social Transition
Also flag it to your school?