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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girl Guides: Nottingham - senders of objection emails referred to Police

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mammajustkilledagnat · 19/01/2022 11:25

Anyone else seen this on Twitter? I mean, what the bloody hell?

twitter.com/MDayCassandra/status/1483731590232657922

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ginandbearit · 20/01/2022 13:24

There are generations of children who suffered at the hands of priests , nuns , scout masters and teachers , whose abusers were given a 'quiet word ' and moved or monitored but still protected by the organisations that employed them .Even the Scouts had a dossier in 1919 of dodgy scout leaders....safeguarding has to be total.and absolute..'no exceptions.."

barleybadminton · 20/01/2022 13:29

The liklihood of her posting sexually suggestive pictures (the boob shot and domme dress were most certainly captioned suggestively even IF you could somehow argue the content was not) is slim to non. It is simply outside the realms of behaviour most women would engage in.

Lol, I take it you've never logged into fetlife. Actually don't, the day someone from this forum logs into fetlife is the day the internet will probably finally break.

Now. For arguments sake let's say a biological woman DID post a shot hinting at a BDSM session, another offering more than the boobs on show and another toating a gun in a manner that I'm resolute on, is threatening and irresponsible.. she would be hung, drawn, quartered and sacked for the gross misconduct it is.

It is usually women who are targetted for their sexuality in this way I agree which is one reason I oppose this kind of prurient slut shaming. But even the teacher found working as a dominatrix who's online presence was infinitely more explicit and sexual than anything Tulley has posted was only suspended for a year. There have been teachers who did a naked calendar shoot for charity, and whilst it raised some controversy, none were sacked, and none faced hundreds of people writing to their employers accusing them of being a safeguarding risk. This is happening because she's trans. I'm not aware of anyone ever facing a campaign of online harassment like this aimed at their employers because of a couple of slightly risque pics on social media. And if some people have posted messages to her employer accusing her of being a predator or abuser based on such scant evidence, or who have encouraged others to do the same, then that probably could meet the legal criteria for harassment and it is understandable if Girl Guides have felt the need to involve the police. Time will tell whether that is the case.

Terfydactyl · 20/01/2022 13:35

@BettyFilous

LangCleg was banned about two years ago. She made some astute observations about the dangers of creating a sacred caste who cannot be questioned or challenged in matters of safeguarding. Many of us miss her.
We sure do miss lang, although she lives on in a similar form on a different forum. But we do not miss her questionable choices of breakfast.
barleybadminton · 20/01/2022 13:37

@CuntAmongstThePigeons

I know soooooo many people with 2 Instagram or fb, a risqué one and a work one. Why would you know do that unless the point of it IS being risqué and sexual in an environment around children. Its surely grooming parents and children to accept inappropriate behaviours?

The argument from many seems to be that the very existence of these pics means that she is a safeguarding risk because she is displaying a paraphilia. As such your friends should surely be equally suspect. And I wonder how well they have hidden their tracks. Would they stand up to the same kind of scrutiny of Sulley - the leather dress pic at least was posted on an instagram page that didn't use the same name as she uses as a Guide Leader.

But if you accept it's okay for people to post this kind of content online as long as they cover their tracks then this is not a safeguarding matter but a matter of training in how to use social media more discreetly. But even so, with face recognition software and the many other techniques which can be used to track people down online then it is likely many of those NSFW instagram accounts could be traced back to their users if placed under the kind of scrutiny Sulley has been.

barleybadminton · 20/01/2022 13:39

I wonder how many gender critical people with responsible jobs posted or retweeted this pic (CW NSFW and far more explicitly sexual than anything Sulley posted)

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/1043824653834301440

NotAGirl · 20/01/2022 13:44

@ginandbearit

There are generations of children who suffered at the hands of priests , nuns , scout masters and teachers , whose abusers were given a 'quiet word ' and moved or monitored but still protected by the organisations that employed them .Even the Scouts had a dossier in 1919 of dodgy scout leaders....safeguarding has to be total.and absolute..'no exceptions.."
This ^

#NoExceptions

NotAGirl · 20/01/2022 13:48

[quote barleybadminton]I wonder how many gender critical people with responsible jobs posted or retweeted this pic (CW NSFW and far more explicitly sexual than anything Sulley posted)

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/1043824653834301440[/quote]
6 retweets of that tweet in total, none by named individuals

But I thought a penis was just a penis and we shouldn’t associate anything sexual with it Confused

yourhairiswinterfire · 20/01/2022 13:49

[quote barleybadminton]I wonder how many gender critical people with responsible jobs posted or retweeted this pic (CW NSFW and far more explicitly sexual than anything Sulley posted)

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/1043824653834301440[/quote]
Well it's only had 6 retweets since Sep 2018, so maybe have a look at the accounts that retweeted and find out?

Are those 6 people that retweeted using their real names and advertising that they work with children?

Bosky · 20/01/2022 13:53

[quote barleybadminton]I wonder how many gender critical people with responsible jobs posted or retweeted this pic (CW NSFW and far more explicitly sexual than anything Sulley posted)

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/1043824653834301440[/quote]
Mwahhhh ha ha ha ha!!!

AbandonedCharacter · 20/01/2022 14:02

You consider that NSFW and sexually explicit? Oh you sweet summer child.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 20/01/2022 14:08

Gosh, PP is tiny! She must be like a little beautiful Borrower in real life, assuming that penis is 7 inches long, of course.

She is also witty, self deprecating, smart, and delivers a great "no".

I can see why she is troubling for you, @barleybadminton

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/01/2022 14:23

@AbandonedCharacter

You consider that NSFW and sexually explicit? Oh you sweet summer child.
What’s NSFW? And CW? Thx
AbandonedCharacter · 20/01/2022 14:28

NSFW is not suitable for work. I haven't a clue what CW means!

Alekto · 20/01/2022 14:29

CW = content warning

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2022 14:33

[quote barleybadminton]I wonder how many gender critical people with responsible jobs posted or retweeted this pic (CW NSFW and far more explicitly sexual than anything Sulley posted)

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/1043824653834301440[/quote]
That's a photo of a woman standing next to a man wearing an inflatable penis costume, barley.

Is that what you meant to post?

('content warning' for CW, Mummy. Although I daresay most posters on 'Mumsnet' will be familiar with what a penis looks like and are unlikely to be alarmed by a man wearing a novelty penis costume.)

DialSquare · 20/01/2022 14:41

I can only surmise that barley must be doing it wrong if they think that photo is any form of sexually explicit.

justaftb · 20/01/2022 14:51

Let's not forget that in one photo Sulley was wearing their GG uniform.

CompleteGinasaur · 20/01/2022 14:52

Well. as Barley is basing their ideas of BDSM on the Powerpuff Girls, a lack of accuracy is only to be expected. In this as so much else.

ShrillSiren · 20/01/2022 15:00

Can you really not see why people should keep their private life and public life separate?

I know you want to call us all prudes but I don't give a shit what people do in their bedrooms, but it absolutely should not be linked in any way to their public profiles, especially if they work with children. It shows a complete lack of judgement.

This is the problem with adding kink to the rainbow family and "bringing your whole self to work". I absolutely do not need to know what someone likes in the bedroom unless I'm likely to join them there.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2022 16:20

I mean, to be fair, I don't think it would be appropriate for a Girl Guide Leader to be posting pictures of themself in an inflatable penis on social media, so if this man is a GG Leader then he should def be reported.

Terfydactyl · 20/01/2022 16:21

@OneEpisode

If you search the internet for the gg leader, the video interview with Huff Post is easy to find, in that interview they dismiss a customer with a valid complaint as “love” and give their CV. It is not obvious what on that CV makes them so exceptionally invaluable to GG.
Jesus could there be any more patronising in that video? If you want something done, give it to a busy woman. Ffs
Terfydactyl · 20/01/2022 16:31

[quote barleybadminton]I wonder how many gender critical people with responsible jobs posted or retweeted this pic (CW NSFW and far more explicitly sexual than anything Sulley posted)

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/1043824653834301440[/quote]
Ooh well now is posie in fact a gg leader? In a responsible role for a lot of children? Getting paid to be a safeguarding lead?
Oh right it's the man yes?
In that case he needs a quiet talking to so he never does it again.

allmywhat · 20/01/2022 16:56

I think you either get to flex about being on Fetlife (and a weird flex it is too; also people don’t put their real names and jobs, voluntary or otherwise, on Fetlife, FYI )

or you can throw up your hands shrieking about the irredeemable degeneracy of a comedy inflatable penis costume,

but you don’t get to do both.

Unless of course you actively enjoy being comic relief, and perhaps that poster does. Are they getting some kind of gratification out of repeatedly making a fool of themselves here? Probably best not to think about it.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/01/2022 18:15

Thanks for the explanations Abandoned and Alekto!

barleybadminton · 20/01/2022 18:30

@AbandonedCharacter

You consider that NSFW and sexually explicit? Oh you sweet summer child.
How predictable. A gender critical man wanders the streets dressed as an erect penis and it's all just harmless jolly japes with no thought at all to the families with young children, traumatised abuse survivors or people from religious communities exposed to it without their consent. But a trans women posts a picture of herself in a leather dress with a midly suggestive caption on a non work related instagram page in a false name and it's OMG safeguarding, safeguarding, write to her employers and try to destroy her life. The hypocrisy is sickening.
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