So brave

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I've just read this in the local paper. From a personal point of view I am uncomfortable with the thought that a social worker is not the sex that I perceive them to be. Our family have a social worker due to my abusive exH and DV is discussed with her. A social worker is working with very vulnerable people and I would be very uncomfortable if my social worker turned out to the not biologically female. I'm autistic and struggle enough. My brain will not accept the opposite of what my eyes see. This trans woman is saying they have passing privilege but women know, especially in close up situations, what sex someone is.

I think it's wrong to be misleading people you are snogging at clubs. It takes away personal choice.

I could say a lot more but anyways fear the HQ hammer.

Bolton trans woman hits back at online trolls who say she is 'misleading' men www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/young-trans-woman-bolton-hits-22725721

I also think its wrong if you're in a dating situation. But that's the entitled attitude that often comes with the TRA movement. Sexual attraction is entirely personal, any attempt at deception is wrong and not conducive to a trusting relationship.

A 20 year old social worker? Who a year ago spent £30k on facial surgery?

There are two issues here- one is in her role as a social worker and we don’t know enough about how she communicates there, but agree dv victims shouldn’t feel deceived. The second is at clubs though and she says she tells anyone before meeting for a date, her tinder bio says trans etc, so that’s enough surely? I don’t see why a drunk guy buying her a drink or hitting on her gives her a responsibility to announce she’s trans, that does seem like a safety risk.

I can't see anything Tayla says in that article that's that much of a problem. I suppose you could argue that kissing someone without letting them know you're trans could be distressing for that person if they find out later and wouldn't have kissed you if they'd known you were male. But I would be trying to balance that against whether it's fair to expect a trans person to be constantly disclosing their trans status before even fairly minor intimate contact — it'd make nights out very awkward.

The social work thing, they didn't really say enough about to make a judgement. There are a lot of different types of job that come under that label. And I think TBH it's a matter of social services policy, not anything that's Tayla's responsibility to sort out.

Person seeks media profile [shrugs]

This person is not a registered social worker, at the age of 20 with having had all that surgery to alter their appearance. No one of their name is a registered social worker, you need a degree in social work as an entry requirement or a masters in social work after doing a different first degree. Either the journalist has misquoted or misunderstood this persons job, or they are exaggerating their job role themselves.

I also don't know any social workers who would pursue such a public profile in this way, for obvious reasons. So, I wouldn't think it likely that this person would be in a position to be working with vulnerable people in that way.

As for the clubbing situation, I don't think there's a need to declare trans status if you're interacting with people in the club. But if you end up in any kind of a more intimate situation then it's reasonable to be clear exactly what is being consented to.

I don't think she is under any obligation to tell randoms in bars. I don't think she's doing anything wrong.

Is it actually possible to be a social worker at age 20?

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Thank you. Your post wasn't there when I posted.

So what are you proposing, OP, should trans people be banned from being social workers? Any other profession you'd like to see them banned from while you're at it?

I'm sure that we can think of some more professions, Blueberry.
Like, how about not running rape crisis shelters?

I highly doubt they’re a social worker aged 20

The other stuff is entirely up to them.

Should GC women lose jobs, be no-platformed, have their businesses ruined, be trolled, cancelled, abused, threatened, fear ever speaking up for their rights openly on any public forum, and feel oppressed and fearful on a daily basis?

Just wondering.

Because that’s the situation currently.

Yes how about GTF out of rape crisis orgs.

Co-signed.

A person's sex is relevant for some positions and if it is, then that would make that job unsuitable for anyone not of that sex. That includes transpeople as they have changed their gender identity, not their sex.
So I would not consider this person appropriate for any role that was female only.

The Social Worker job seems to be misleading so it isn't likely that is what she is doing.

I don't have a problem with how she is behaving as far as dating is concerned.
I do feel sad that she has spent so much money to look the way she does, I suspect it won't make her happy long term.

Haven’t a problem at all with her attitude to dating, I think it would be dangerous to tell any random in a nightclub that she is trans

This person is not a social worker. They might possibly work in social care, as a support worker, for example, but that wage wouldn't have funded surgery to the tune of £30,000, that's for sure.

Must be a prodigy to have graduated and be working as social worker at 20, despite having to take time off for surgery.

I've NC'd for this for obvious reasons.

I'm currently studying for my MA in social work.

"Social Worker" is a protected title, which means it's illegal to call yourself such without the appropriate qualifications and professional registrations.

I'm not suggesting this person has deliberately mis-represented themselves in this regard as it could be a misunderstanding on the part of the journalist.

Unless you are some sort of prodigy who went to Uni years ahead of your age, it would be impossible to gain this title at the age of 20 - even without having spent years undergoing invasive surgery in tandem.

As for the question of should a trans person be a SW then the answer has to be that it's not something you should discriminate against legally or morally imho.

That said, like ANY SW they'd be expected to abide by professional standards and codes of practice and could be disciplined for not doing so.

SW practice is focused on centring the needs of the service user and if there is a conflict of interest in you being able to do that, it's expected you would declare it.

I agree that declaring their trans status in a club would not be wise for their safety. Men might not be too happy to find themselves kissing someone of the same sex if they are straight.
The MEN is dire in tens of quality reporting so it doesn't surprise me that it's not possible to be a social worker at that age.

I don't really have a problem with this. She seems to be very upfront about being trans before she dates anyone.

The kissing part I'm torn on. I can imagine some people would be very upset kissing a woman to later find out she's a transwoman. However, I don't think it is practical or safe to declare you're trans to everyone you meet in a nightclub. If you're buying someone a drink or kissing them in a nightclub the only thing you can do is take them at face value whether or not they're trans.

Funny how all the comments to the article saying it’s wrong/illegal etc. are quite happy to distinguish between biological women and transwomen for relationship purposes. Seems TWANW in the mind of the greater public, at least among men in Manchester . . . (unless you’re a lesbian of course, then just STFU)

The subject of the article. Getting abuse for not telling men who come up in clubs, chat them up, offer drink, bit of a snog.

Really shitty tbh.

I mean FFS a drink and a snog? Bit of an over clothes handsiness?

No of course not a problem not saying.

In situations like that people don't reveal stuff I mean. Wtf?
I mean it's just obvious that that's normal!

Who the hell says when someone comes up and says drink? Or before snog in club.
I'm married
I've got kids
I've had kids with 3 different women
I've got a drug habit/ gambling addiction/ loads of debt/ a padded bra on they're not that big/ a wig on to hide bald spot/ a big scar on abdomen/ a fetish involving jam and kippers/ I live with my mum....

I mean FFS!

Looks like not actually social worker anyway. And I didn't even notice that when read before whole op, it was such a tiny bit of the whole thing.

So no abuse NO WAY ok.

And who all worked up about it?

Betcha chaps pretty much.

I wonder at the decision to put face and loads info that is v identifying, personal iinfo given what the article is about.

Also why posting this online on first place? Clear if got more than friends etc seeing would mean loads of shit from randoms.

And not true social worker?

I think wants to be spotted for model or similar.

Her comments near end were a bit odd to me.

The men don't deserve to know? Isn't it to do with no issue normal not to spill personal stuff to random snog in club?

Comment that passes? And history of transition which is entirely irrelevant.

Other things like that.

In the end this is a bit in local paper I mean meh really with it all.

In the event a social worker was trans, I think the social worker should be sensitive to the needs of the clients, whenever their legal sex is relevant. I also think it is important to centre the needs of the families. Simply put, the people you will be working with may not have the headspace to be meeting your emotional needs. If it is vital to you that everyone uses your preferred pronouns, not the job for you.

When it comes to clubs though, I really don't care. If I had the power to police activity in clubs, my priorities would be that no-one spikes anyone's drink, no-one lies about being single (when actually married with kids), no-one sexually assaults someone else, that people back off when told to back off, and that no-one snogs anyone else when they have active cold sores and so on.

If you kiss attractive strangers in a club, I don't think those strangers are obliged to bellow 'I'm trans' over the top of the music. It would jeopardise Dow's safety and I just don't think it's a fair expectation.

Equally, for Dow's own safety I think they should discuss that they're trans before they get anywhere close to actually shagging someone from a club, but sounds like Dow already knows that.

I wish TD joy and contentment in their life to come.

Had a quick look. Nothing saying whether could choose sex of social worker.

Can ask for different one but rare to get change.

Meaning unless I missed something-

SW mainly female some male
Request sex looks like not a thing

And they're not doing anything intimate etc are they.
What surely most important is they good at their job. Empathy, real help etc when needed, concern followed up and acted on if needed.
To be kind but look out for things. Not get wool pulled over eyes by charming liars. Not make snap judgements, decide understand what's going on due to bias etc.

OP you say would be upset male SW. What are your reasons?

As you say pretty much can always tell male. So you've got a male social worker. So what.
If can't tell vvv unusual then what harm are you actually caused in this context?

As long as they good at job etc then imo so what? Ok if find out then wtf but if you happy with their approach, attitude, advice etc then in the end is it really s big deal? Better than a horrible one of either sex surely.

Plus of course.

PPs have checked and register etc mean pretty certain indeed this person not SW anyway.

Your current SW you sure not trans.

Likelihood of getting a TW (or TM?) SW got to be tiny.

I think you're worrying over nothing here tbh.

I assume you live in Bolton that's how saw article. Local. This person not SW 99.999% certainty so you're not going to get as SW.
And if you did know male so as per previous comments. As long as decent at job then ok maybe not 100% keen based on what know from article but surely not enough of concern to get so worried about?