So brave

[CervixSampler]

I've just read this in the local paper. From a personal point of view I am uncomfortable with the thought that a social worker is not the sex that I perceive them to be. Our family have a social worker due to my abusive exH and DV is discussed with her. A social worker is working with very vulnerable people and I would be very uncomfortable if my social worker turned out to the not biologically female. I'm autistic and struggle enough. My brain will not accept the opposite of what my eyes see. This trans woman is saying they have passing privilege but women know, especially in close up situations, what sex someone is.

I think it's wrong to be misleading people you are snogging at clubs. It takes away personal choice.

I could say a lot more but anyways fear the HQ hammer.

Bolton trans woman hits back at online trolls who say she is 'misleading' men www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/young-trans-woman-bolton-hits-22725721

What do they do?

Problem would not occur if person in article were to frequent establishments where they could meet people who would be interested in a same sex relationship with them.

Yes, men looking for men could frequent pubs that focus on supporting this. Less likely to be misleading actions.

Plenty of men are bi.

Plenty of men do not only go out to pull! Go out with mates etc.

In fact well I mean. It's all a bit weird anyway because at least for me the things I went to pubs clubs etc were all about a shared scene iyswim. Anything else irrelevant. For everyone who liked that.

That or ended up at eg shite local clubs. And local clubs are for everyone as. Local. Meat markets often yes but if no where else for miles then clearly that's where you go.

So I'm a bit confused.

Where do you go that's ONLY for straight people anyway? They're the vast majority but that doesn't mean any club is just for them.

That's why gay lesbian clubs etc exist. So not in sea of heterosexual people and how on earth do you proceed from there? Not like lgb people have it tattooed on forehead!

So no. Proposition that if interested in same sex should not go clubs.

Or pubs!!!!!

That are general then that's... A nope nope .
In fact don't be silly.

And this person is assuming that none of these blokes have clocked... Which is their assumption.

There's a fair number of men who say straight, don't see having sexual interactions with other males as meaning not straight.

Plus the person in the article is taking a massive risk which I'm sure they are aware of.

I really can't get worked up at all in any way.

Might have a squiz at clubs in Bolton though 😁

The male assumes they are passing as female, so knows if a male approaches they are likely misleading the other male. I still think this is catfishing.

Any Bolton people here?

There's truths, level, pop world... Any alternative scene? In case I ever end up in Bolton?

Hadn't thought this through before!

In reality usually groups of friends go out together to clubs.
Groups of friends can include anyone.
As will other groups.

Sooooo...

General cubs are just simply not devoid of same sex attracted people who might pull if wanted to!

Last local crappy club I went to- 80s80s! type place. We went early only 1/4 full. Definitely not specific gay venue.

Only people on dance floor were two young women obv on date going well who had occasional snogs.

So.. Reality check needed!

If they're only having a chat drink snog then so what.

People tell all sorts of whoppers when on the pull! And certainly don't say eg oh incidentally I've got a criminal record for severe domestic violence! Etc.

With clubs pubs the REAL ACTUAL MAJOR problem is males who ID as lesbians going lesbian places.
Male female couple one non binary ID going to any places LGB people.

Lesbian bars venues just vanishing at 100mph.

These places were created, paid for, run specifically to give valuable same sex attracted venues.

Loads of straight people have for years been keen to get in.

Especially straight women, to go out and have fun without all the stuff that comes with straight men in clubs.

That's a problem at a broad level.

One person doing something is... Well like it or not. It's one person.

Is this about empathy with men who approach this person, and assumption that haven't clocked?

What about the fact this person in local paper with pics! So not exactly flying under radar!

'Especially straight women, who want to go out...'.

Having said that I did once accidentally end up in Trade!

Also used to go out with lesbian friends sometimes to their stomping grounds which I feel bit bad for now tbh.

Trans women have the right to work and socialise and I think when we start criticising them for simply doing those things it opens the door for accusations of transphobia, which then dilutes the message about the very real issues around safe spaces, sport etc.

Agreed

Yep 100%.

In fact, and this is my PERSONAL opinion.

This piece is about nothing more than this individual wanting to have pics in paper.

Could be because hoping to get noticed and get some modelling work, or picked up by trans orgs and maybe become paid opinion person or similar.

Could be because likes attention.

Could be to prove a personal point to someone local, or maybe get some blokes interested in meeting date or whatever.

I mean we have no idea.

Essentially.

1. Social worker job multiple things show that's a lie.

1. If into pulling straight men in clubs then putting all that in local paper somewhat counter productive!

1. Assumption passes. Doesn't mean others think that.

1. Look in photos and club men come up ask drink etc and this is a MASSIVE guess but I suspect they go out v teeny outfits huge heels and enjoy being noticed by everyone. Act 'sexy' in the mainly seen on telly way. How stand walk etc. Could be way off! No idea. Just can't see them not being one of those locals that loads people notice around etc iyswim. I can't imagine fact trans is not general knowledge iyswim (just a fact not anything more).

*Apols if wrong that's a v specific random assumption!)

1. Oh and Def straight men. How they know not bisexual? How they know not sort of straight bloke who pulls men but doesn't identity as bi? That's a bit random!

1. Why say on SM pull straight men, unless wanting obvious negative reaction from some? Who took this to paper? Who knows...

In short article is non issue, and OP reaction is concerning in strength. Hope OP is ok. I used to react to certain things (totally unrelated to any this) when I had post natal pretty bad anxiety and depression.

Catastrophising that's the word.

@CheeseMmmm

'Especially straight women, who want to go out...'.

Having said that I did once accidentally end up in Trade!

Also used to go out with lesbian friends sometimes to their stomping grounds which I feel bit bad for now tbh.

straight dd went to a gay club with her brother

Made a very nice female friend who was chatting to her and bought her a drink….dd had a lovely time

I was like 🤦‍♀️

Wouldn't he be catfishing in a straight pub or lesbian pub, if not up front before things initimately/physically happened?

It's the deceit of others that I have an issue with. I would happily talk with a transperson male or female and wearing whatever and really not bothered in general conversations, but for a potential intimate relationship I am only interested in heterosexual men.

I would feel it was catfishing if the reverse happened - if a woman passing as a man knew she was misleading me and continued to encourage intimate feelings and responses.

I'm not interested in getting off with men who are married, have a tendency to violence when pissed, have various children around the place they don't see etc.

It's all deception you disagree with? Because it's vvv common. And who expects a full accurate picture of someone before they snog in nightclub?

@CheeseMmmm

If they're only having a chat drink snog then so what.

People tell all sorts of whoppers when on the pull! And certainly don't say eg oh incidentally I've got a criminal record for severe domestic violence! Etc.

I agree. I bet the men snogging Tayla are pretty economic with the actualité