Stonewall – evil or stupid?

[MsGrumpytrousers]

Just looking at the completely idiotic tweets Stonewall have made about the 'gay cake' case, where they've managed to completely misunderstand the implications.

"Today’s decision by the European Court of Human Rights is a backwards step for equality. Human rights belong to people, not businesses.
No business should discriminate against their customers, and no discriminatory behaviour should be held up by equality law. Today’s decision leaves the door open for legal uncertainty across the UK and causes continued unease for our communities.
Our thoughts are with Gareth Lee [they know he hasn't DIED, right? He just had to walk to a different bakery to get his cake iced?], who deserved more support from the European Courts after seven years of working towards equality.
At Stonewall, we will continue to work with our partners, the TRPNI, to address the implications of this judgement for all lesbian, gay, bi, trans and queer communities.

They've got about two hundred replies pointing out that the ruling isn't about refusing to serve a gay man, it's about refusing to ice a cake with a slogan that goes against your beliefs, and it's exactly the same as if Gareth was a baker and someone had asked him to ice a cake to say "Gay men are perverts".

So is it that Stonewall are stupid? They've done so much harm that I assumed they must be evil. Or are they just so misguided they can't think straight?

As the great Magdalen Berns put it: Their minds are so open their fucking brains have fallen out.

Stupid & Evil

I think they're more stupid than evil. But their level of stupidity can have evil results.

They are so sure they're righteous and correct on everything that they stopped taking on new information and nuance, and they have become a complete caricature of what they used to be.

Both.

They are evil.
They try to mask it with stupid but they know exactly what they are doing.
If they were stupid, sometimes they'd accidentally support women but they never get it that sort of wrong.

So stupid they have become evil.
They are now a professionally offended lobby group that react without engaging their collective brains.

“Both” is also an option, right?

@aliasundercover

As the great Magdalen Berns put it: Their minds are so open their fucking brains have fallen out.

What a wonderful woman. I didn't find out about her until after she'd dies, and I was just gutted. What a loss.

(I thought that was Douglas Adams, but the internet tells me it was also Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman, and lord knows who else. But I expect Magdalen deserves credit for adding the "fucking", which is what makes it great.)

Evil but will do wide eyed faux stupidity when the shit hits the fan.

Evil. We already know they deliberately misrepresent the law, which is what they're doing here by misrepresenting what the case was about and trying to increase the victimhood of LGBTQ+ people.

It has trod the Tony Blair path from hero to zero: Gay rights were its Kosovo, trans rights are its Iraq.

One tweet said: "The one time you make even the vaguest attempt to stand for LGB rights, and it's a huge swing and a miss.

Well done, Stonewall."

To quote Bill Hicks

“You ought to hear the arguments around
my house: "They're annoying! They're idiots! They're evil! They're fucks!!" Brothers,
sisters, come together. Can't we once just join hands and think of them as evil-
annoying-idiot-fucks?””

I'd go with neither.

It's about money.
They are avaricious.
They only care about keeping the cash rolling in.

They are not stupid they know full well what they are doing.

They are not evil exactly. I'd go with amoral.

@aliasundercover

As the great Magdalen Berns put it: Their minds are so open their fucking brains have fallen out.

Fucking love this!

You look at all their individual contributions to these questions and if you take them separately you could possibly be persuaded that its just stupidity - even if of an almost godlike order. Put them all together, however, and you see that the final result (for their own ostensible foundational ethos, before we even get to the Trans Rights debate) is to take an organisation founded to foster and protect not just the rights but the dignity of the Lesbian and Gay communities, and see that their rhetoric has turned us from Pride to the worst simpering perpetual victim figures... That's Evil. Not so pure and definitely not simple.

I think that is way too generous.

It means everything they have done that is detrimental to massive numbers of people including the groups they were fucking set up to help. Is unintentional. Don't realise.

It's an excuse for them.

Higher up levels certainly know exactly what they're doing.

Redefining homosexuality and bisexuality out of existence.
In fact saying homosexual is an outdated medical term. To try and remove it from the vocabulary of society full stop.

The insistence that lesbians (and gay men) fancy others based on an invisible feeling in the other person's head and so obviously lesbians can be male.

That not respecting gender ID under any circs full stop is wrong.
(Are they lobbying UNICEF etc to ditch their global single sex toilets campaigns, with a full apology? If not why not FFS. (Because it would be way too obvious that they're a callous appalling amoral org, obv. None of these orgs put their money where their mouth is EVER. so can add cowards to the list).

And so on.

It's all about MONEY. And likely a bit of enjoying power etc).

Ok, I was obviously a bit too rhetorical, there, CheeseMmmm.. I'm definitely coming down Evil with a capital E..

I wonder what stonewall would say if a Baker refused to make a cake with 'I love jk Rowling' on it?

.... or if a beautician didn't want to wax someone's balls?

All of the above plus

Evil, absolute evil now.

One could say

Narcissistically selfish, vengefully annihilative, desperately manipulative, delusionally driven = deliberately, accidentally and casually doing evil

…and utterly lacking in basic empathy, emotional or rational intelligence and psychological insight = nihilistic and stupid.