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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Medical Women's Federation - TWAW

64 replies

weasle · 07/01/2022 11:01

The medical women's federation have tweeted their support that TWAW.

twitter.com/medicalwomenuk/status/1479390017063723010?s=21

The original tweet has a very depressing thread of doctors, DOCTORS, asserting that a woman is anyone who says they are and that deniers of this are against biology!

I feel so let down by my medical colleagues that so many have no grasp of biology and science! I despair.

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Artichokeleaves · 07/01/2022 11:28

The intention is the more this is shouted at female people the faster they will shut up, give up, sit down and permit it to happen.

How's it going so far?

Because I'm seeing female people getting increasingly angry, and standing up to it. This sort of thing really does not work when the effect of seeing a message like this isn't to conform but to inwardly and outwardly scream 'stop erasing females you absolute muppets'.

chipsinonehandpieinother · 07/01/2022 11:55

It just shows that we are primarily a social species not a rational one.
We have evolved to bond over shared beliefs. This is what we are witnessing here. Its human tribalism coming to the fore.

bishophaha · 07/01/2022 12:00

A woman is anyone who says they are what? What is the thing they are saying that they are?
Or is it a meaningless label of a string of letters?

TInkyWlnky · 07/01/2022 12:00

Wtf? Their statement makes absolutely no sense. It's certainly not rational.

Boogaloony · 07/01/2022 12:07

I write off they could prove some medical statistics to back up their claim?

How many cases of ovarian cancer have been recorded in transwomen?

How many trans men have had prostate cancer?

GCMM · 07/01/2022 12:51

This makes me so cross. As medics they absolutely do know the difference between biological males and females and they give medical treatment accordingly ( at least I hope they do, otherwise they are harming their patients). But they can't, or won't, resist virtue signalling.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/01/2022 12:58

@GCMM

This makes me so cross. As medics they absolutely do know the difference between biological males and females and they give medical treatment accordingly ( at least I hope they do, otherwise they are harming their patients). But they can't, or won't, resist virtue signalling.
I'm sure they do. Even Harrop, in the interview vs Posie, had to admit as much.

However, this seems to be from the pov of transgender doctors, who've been allowed as members. (Unclear whether they would kick out an FtM...) . Which raises the concern that they'd support a TW who tried to break the exceptions under the EA if a patient requested a female doctor.

NitroNine · 07/01/2022 12:59

The absolute cognitive dissonance of “TWAW” vs “their stated aims” is absolutely staggering. And absurd.

The MWF was 100 in 2017 & in amongst the press coverage this article included:
^Over the last 100 years, the Federation has campaigned on the rights of married woman to work, have access to contraception, abortion, FGM and, more recently, flexible working for women doctors. The role of MWF today is still as important. Over 55 per cent of medical students are now female and 53 per cent of consultant trainees are women, as well as 69 per cent of GP trainees.
Despite this success, there still exists a gender gap at senior levels within medicine. A 2015 study revealed that female medical students would earn 35 per cent less than male graduates by the age of 55. Currently, only 34 per cent of consultants are women and within surgery this drops to just 12 per cent. Women also only make up 24 per cent of Trust medical directors and 24 per cent of professors.^

All of that is relevant ONLY to biological women. The MWF do a huge amount of very valuable work for women in medicine & about women’s health (eg joint work with the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Medicine that included looking at the lack of clinical trials including women). Trans women have needs that are absolutely important - but it is not up to the MWF to divert their resources into meeting them & it would be a desperate shame (to say the least) were they to do so. As/while the MWF are not working to meet the discrete needs of trans women, the TWAW line is simply about offering “validation”, which is not what the MWF is meant to do. I can’t find any information on their having polled their members on the matter, either, so it seems that this is (yet another) top-down decision to use women as props without their consent.

The MWF do not offer any membership statistics either - being the largest organisation for women in medicine in the UK isn’t so impressive when you lack competition. In 2008 they had 1200 members (according to Wikipedia) - in 2020 there were 140.5 thousand women on the medical register in the UK; & while the number of female doctors has been increasing, it’s not leapt up THAT wildly since 2008 (according to the King’s Fund, 43% of the UK’s doctors were women by 2011). Thus, even if the MWF were right about their membership’s views (& allowing for its having increased in proportion, obviously) it is disingenuous of them to try to claim knowledge of the views of the majority of female doctors given nowhere near a majority are members of MWF.

WhereYouLeftIt · 07/01/2022 13:04

Had a quick look at their website. Founded in 1917. Presumably, infiltrated by fuckwits at the same time as Women's Institute and Girl Guiding.

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 13:14

That's amazing. An entire thread of doctors pronouncing transwomen are women. It's just weird how people can say things they know to be untrue, just to fit into some sort of societal agreed set of beliefs.

We look back in horror at people being forced to state belief in religion, forced to baptise children to get them into schools, etc. This is just another way of controlling society as a whole.

terryleather · 07/01/2022 13:18

Apart from the obvious eye watering level of lying ideological bullshit in this particular instance, it's worth considering the bigger picture...is it any wonder that people may be distrustful of doctors and be reluctant to put their faith in science and the medical profession when they spout obvious untruths such as this, particularly when you might be wanting to overcome vaccine hesitancy for example.

Brought to you by the same dolts that talk about "cervix havers" instead of women in smear test campaigns and thus make it harder to reach those that actually need to hear the message, potentially causing real harm in the process.

It's short sighted virtue signalling nonsense with real world implications.
Absolutely unforgivable.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/01/2022 13:20

An entire thread of doctors pronouncing transwomen are women.

The vast majority of the responses I can see are ridiculing the tweet. I haven't yet seen any doctors supporting it.

Scraggythang · 07/01/2022 13:25

Gender diverse WOMEN!?

none of it makes sense. Make it make SENSE!!!!

ErrolTheDragon · 07/01/2022 13:28

Well, sure you can have 'gender diverse women'.
You just can't have sex diverse ones. A necessary requirement for being a woman is to be female.

Enough4me · 07/01/2022 13:29

Is the same happening in men's healthcare?
Oops ignore me, I forgot men are permitted to be men and to be women.

CruellaDeVilla · 07/01/2022 13:31

Ffs it’s lunacy

aliasundercover · 07/01/2022 13:33

The vast majority of the responses I can see are ridiculing the tweet. I haven't yet seen any doctors supporting it.

The replies to the original tweet by Dave Curtis include loads of (claimed) doctors spouting that twaw. When Curtis offers to debate them they of course all refuse.

Theflamingnerd · 07/01/2022 13:38

One of the replies did make me chuckle "your mind is so open your brains have fallen out"

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/01/2022 13:41

I’m just embarrassed for them - I’ll wait for them to tell me when they’ve found the first uterus in a TW, fucking morons

TheABC · 07/01/2022 13:45

Hang on, this could be a golden opportunity!

if anyone knows how Transwomen become women, it's got to be these doctors. They could finally clear up this debate by giving us some nice, crisp, clear definitions.

Scraggythang · 07/01/2022 13:49

@ErrolTheDragon it’s more having to say it at all. It has nothing to do with anything in this instance. The same if it was having to clarify men means even the ‘gender diverse’ men.

I should’ve made that clear in my original post.

Slothtoes · 07/01/2022 14:06

How depressing. But then medicine has always been incredibly misogynistic arising from its history and working culture I guess, even though these days the majority of med students are female.

highame · 07/01/2022 14:11

My guess is that India Willoughby's doctor will be the first to declare that he's found a mtf trans with a cervix

TurquoiseBaubles · 07/01/2022 17:54

@ErrolTheDragon

An entire thread of doctors pronouncing transwomen are women.

The vast majority of the responses I can see are ridiculing the tweet. I haven't yet seen any doctors supporting it.

Sorry, Errol I was referring to this twitter thread twitter.com/davecurtis314/status/1472539749122519046 which, after the first dozen replies, rapidly deteriorates. I didn't realise I'd wandered from the link in the op.
Linguini · 07/01/2022 18:43

"This Tweet is from an account that no longer exists" apparently.

I can't imagine Twatter would ban an account that is so pro-TRA, so can only assume they've closed it themselves?

Maybe the intern who posted that Tweet is getting a bollocking.